Australia arrests 183 for setting bushfires that celebrities claim were caused by climate change

What developed nations should do is provide fossil fueled electrical power generation plants and distribution grids to third world countries. Power 24/7/365 is basic to economic development and increases in the standard of living. The real hockey stick curve is the skyrocketing standard of living when inexpensive fossil fuels became available.

 

What developed nations should do is provide fossil fueled electrical power generation plants and distribution grids to third world countries. Power 24/7/365 is basic to economic development and increases in the standard of living. The real hockey stick curve is the skyrocketing standard of living when inexpensive fossil fuels became available.

 

How can you suggest I'm unaware permafrost isn't all tundra when I was talking about a drunken forest?


melting permafrost

 

Good point. Even though I don’t agree with all predictions in IPCC output, they have more credibility than the garbage reporting and editorializing supposedly based on “science”. Being afraid of weather just seems odd to me, but it seems to get a lot of folks riled up. Perhaps spending all day and half the night at times out in the weather imparts a familiarity that acts as a fear mitigator.

Or maybe it’s the intimacy with weather that allows me to see the good where others see only the bad. Heavy snow makes my work harder, but it also protects winter cereal grain crops from the cold. Drought may reduce yield on non irrigated acres, but it slows germination of invasive species, increases yields on irrigated acres, breaks insect and fungal pest life cycles, increases calf weaning weights in the short term, and reduces calving season mortality rates. Excess rain can slow planting progress, make hay harvest difficult, and increase calving season mortality rates, but it recharges the soil moisture profile, fills stock ponds, and replenishes the aquifer. In short, I think it’s important to focus on the cyclical nature of weather and focus on the positive results as much as on the negative.

 

No one knew what was in it until today. You're blowing smoke.

 

Because you refer to everything from seasonal thaw regions, to discontinuous permafrost, to continuous permafrost with one generic term. But so does much of the reporting on the issue. Using the generic term “permafrost” when the more correct or specific term is appropriate just bothers me because it makes the argument that the poor trees are falling over and the poor roads are buckling seem disingenuous.

 

A lot of the oil and natural gas in countries around the world will stay in the ground. My bet is on nuclear power generation run by the world's major powers in countries all over the world.

 

Yes, it’s curious how little global warming alarmists know about what the UN/IPCC is predicting about global warming. Government officials are the worst.

 

The fear there is the potential for nuclear weapons even though fuel enrichment levels are below what is required for weapons.

 

Many of us know his objectives. The exact timing of the roll out phases will play out in the next few years. Meanwhile the Dow is over 29,000 and the Democrats continue to embarrass themselves and waste taxpayer’s money via the impeachment farce. Voters are paying attention.

 

Don't make obviously false claims.

My concern is the release of methane from melting permafrost.

Who says the term "permafrost" is always inappropriate? I think it's okay to use in the context of methane impacting global warming.

What are "poor trees?"

Anyway, roads, buildings, and infrastructure generally are impacted by the warming. My concern is the release of methane from melting permafrost.

 

The ignorance about what is in the IPCC reports are even more profound amongst the deniers

 

Methane from permafrost has been released for centuries. Most likely most of the methane was released in the Medieval, Roman, and Minoan warm periods.

 

Not at the current rate it hasn’t

 

I don't think you do.

Voters think the guy is guilty.

 

We're looking at adding to the greenhouse gases created from burning fossil fuels.

 

It’s hard for me to look at things from that perspective as there is no objective baseline to judge what is normal, old normal, or new normal. Do you think in say 1690 natural disasters/extreme weather event frequency was normal? Or was it the new “normal”, different from the normal in 400BC? Many cite the beginning of the Industrial Age as the dividing line between normal and abnormal. Is that your dividing line?

 

He’s doing exactly what he said he would do which is why I voted for him.

BS

 

How many centuries will it take to melt the permafrost. This is a non factor that makes alarmists giddy.

 

Hay will keep three years if it's stored properly. I took care of horses as a kid and my wife and I lived across the street from a dairy farm for 13 years.

All that said, your hay bale permafrost is an amusing diversion from the impact of melting permafrost on global warming.

 

Oh, like when he said he wouldn't give rich people a tax cut because they didn't need one, then turned right around and gave 85% of the tax cut to people making $400,000 per year?

 

It isn’t a false claim to point out the term “permafrost” is too generic when discussing the aspects of the subject we’ve covered.

Sure, let’s use the term “permafrost”. It’s fine with me as long as pictures used to demonstrate loss of permafrost aren’t of areas that aren’t permafrost.

To be clear, I’m not saying you have done this, but most of what I see and read about loss of permafrost uses images and descriptions of damaged trees or infrastructure to facilitate an emotional response. That’s what I mean by “poor trees”. Instead of focusing on methane production, it’s effect as a greenhouse gas, or the natural atmospheric mitigation, the emphasis seems to be on making people feel sorry for the damaged trees.

So, I’ll cease the terminology nit picking if you’ll tell me what concerns you most about methane release. I take it you aren’t a member of the group that believes re-sequestration of carbon by increased plant growth after thaw cancels the effect of methane release?

 

I have a neighbor who keeps hay indefinitely. Eventually after a few years the bales just kind of “melt” away. He needs to start a mushroom farm.

The bale thing was just an attempt to clarify the definition of discontinuous permafrost. I have no desire to divert from the subject of methane. It’s a fascinating subject, and we are learning new things about it all the time. Did you know there is evidence the same climate that trapped all that carbon also facilitated the extinction of Neanderthals? Now the climate that may put that carbon back in play is supposed to kill modern humans. Ironic, no?

 

That is not true. But if it were true there is nothing wrong with that. it is a move toward Sweden. How are federal income taxes doing ???

 

We're discussing issues in general terms on a public forum.

If the google pictures are frauds, they're plausible fakes.

I can see it with animals losing their habitat, but trees? Maybe the Redwoods.

Melting permafrost will add to the temperature increase. How much?

Adding to global warming.

No, I'm not.