Impeachment does NOT require a crime

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  1. Lee Atwater

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    So...........you were in favor of, as Repubs couch it, overturning an election (one in which the winner actually won a majority of votes) over lying about a sexual affair? It's a yes or no question.
     
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    I would love to read the transcript if the IG interview.
     
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    Consensual sex????? The hell you say! Is that why the other partner sued Bill Clinton's ass off and was paid almost a million dollars to settle her civil claim????
     
  4. Lee Atwater

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    Deflect much?
     
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    You forgot "or is too be so reserved." That phase covers a temporary withholding. The law is from 1974, so it would apply on ly to Presidents since then. I'd be certain that other Presidents have withheld funds since then, but I don't know whether or not they informed Congress? And, if they broke the law, do you believe that justifies Trump in breaking the law?
     
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    OK...we all "misspeak" from time to time. Fewer of us are willing to admit it...including the President, I'd note. So, you'd accept a motion and vote on witnesses and documentation, after the opening statements, I presume?
     
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    They spent some 12 hours or so on Tuesday voting on Democratic amendments to the McConnell rules, all of which were rejected on party-line votes.
     
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    The Democrats in the Pelosi house have lowered the bar so much:

    Step 1 - House starts an impeachment inquiry (and they do not even require a formal House vote to start it)

    Strep 2 - The Speaker and her appointed committee chairman sends a flurry of subpoenas for the President's most sensitive documents and inner circle of legal and policy advisors

    Step 3 - Wait until the President appeals the House's overreach to the SCOTUS

    Step 4 - Impeach President

    You see, you don't need any crimes whatsoever, the inquiry itself has a built in tool for impeachment.
     
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    Isn't evidence normally exchanged during the pre-trial discovery phase of prosecution? In that case, I would think the call for additional corroborating documentation and witnesses would be done at the beginning of the trial itself (i.e. as soon as possible), rather than AFTER the arguments for the obvious reason that based upon the new evidence, each side might want to change their arguments.
     
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    ...and your evidence of any of this is....... your own presumptions. Sorry, that is opinion, which is nothing, it's actually less than nothing.
     
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    I won't necessarily disagree with you exactly, but it should be pointed out that Bill Clinton wasn't impeached for getting a blowjob.

    No, he was impeached primarily for lying to a grand jury while under oath, and that is, by any standard, a crime!

    Fast-forward to today: neither of the House Articles of Impeachment against Trump describe an actual crime. :omg:

    (Aside: these idiots should have done what Pelosi is reported to have wanted back in November -- a "Censure" of the president instead of this wearisome, laughable, incredibly time-wasting 'impeachment' nonsense....)

    [​IMG]."But, but, we've got to warn people the Russians are about to invade us!" :roflol:
     
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    One in 3 Republicans thinks Trump has probably acted illegally, but most don’t want him convicted
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...m_source=Newsletter&wpisrc=nl_daily202&wpmm=1

    The survey shows that 47 percent of Republicans say Trump has definitely or probably done things that are unethical since launching his 2016 campaign. Another 34 percent say Trump has “probably not” behaved unethically, and just 18 percent say he’s “definitely” not.

    On a separate question in the survey, 32 percent of Republicans say they think Trump has definitely or probably done things that broke the law. Among self-described moderate and liberal Republicans, 48 percent say Trump has probably or definitely done illegal things since launching his campaign. Only 1 in 5 conservative Republicans say this.
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    Convict Dear Leader? Never!!!!
     
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    You claimed the transcripts are all available. I corrected you: the transcript of the WB's IG interview has not been released. What is deflecting about that?
     
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    The quoted law can be read different ways, but you might be correct, and technically Trump might be in violation. But that would be like in violation of speed limits and the process would be to fuss at the president and demand compliance. A normal congress would not bother to take it to the courts as a inefficient waste of time. A normal congress wouldn't even think about impeachment.
     
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    The article I linked to provided transcripts from the House, closed door depositions you falsely claimed were held in secret. This is a loser for you as it has been from the beginning (because you believed the falsehoods you read from lying right wing media), but if you want to persist I'm only too happy to keep correcting you.
     
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    Absolutely.
     
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    I disagree with those amendments as inappropriate before trial. I was not aware that those motions were called amendments. Thanks for the clarification.
     
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    No problem...they were "amendments" to the McConnell rules for trial that had already been passed. Seems we both agree with the 70% of the public that favors additional witnesses and documentation. If the President isn't lying, Bolten, Mulvaney, and the others should support his defense. If not, it becomes "problematic."
     
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    No. The prosecution and the defense have to assure that the other side knows of all material probative evidence that the one side has (with the onus mostly on the prosecution) and that is where the pre-trial exchange comes in. Pre-trial exchange never includes the prosecution (or the defense) asking for help from the judge to get more evidence than what they came to trial with. The prosecution is unequivocally obligated to present only the evidence they actually have. If thy want more they ask for a continuance to give them time to try to get more. In the end they have to play the cards they hold in their hand. If their hand is a bust, well that is what is known as tough s_ _t.
     
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    If it becomes "problematic," which I doubt (because I don't see Senate Repubs voting for witnesses) then the fallback position becomes what I contended it would be all along. Namely, "OK........he did it......I don't care.........nothing to see here.......move along."
    Which sets an incredibly dangerous precedent for any number of reasons.
     
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    Ridiculous. What if the defense is making a specious claim of immunity from having to turn over inculpatory evidence?
     
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    Correcting you is getting very tiresome; it seems a fool's errand. The committee hearings were held in secret. If you don't believe that there is no hope. Yes, Schiff later released most of the transcripts. What kind of Soviet medal do you think he deserves for that?
     
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    I agree with that and that the Senate will likely accept such testimony at face value. But the House will not. If the witnesses support the president the House will refer perjury charges to DOJ.
     
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    You Seem confused... again. Clinton lied about consensual sex with and adult.... related to a civil suit

    read that again slowly
     
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