Why Trump is the keystone, and what the left really fears

Golem · Jan 26, 2020

ArchStanton said: ↑

Don't come up in here with your 'high and mighty' crap yapping about forum rules when you violated forum rules to begin with. You violate forum rules all the time but when you're called on it......
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When I break forum rules I am always reported and I accept the consequences. Reporting me is like a "hobby" for right-wingers. I only report egregious dishonesty like potentially illegal content, plagiarism, ... things like that.

So, in the end, looks like you actually didn't have a point. Just as I suspected. Good thing I didn't waste my time watching the video...

Golem · Jan 26, 2020

Jestsayin said: ↑

I find your dictatorship comment hysterical. Who is it that demands government controlled healthcare, government provided basic minimum income, government provided healthcare, exactly who can own guns, and government paid abortions.
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Do I really have to explain this?

A dictatorship is not about government controlled healthcare. It's about dictator-controlled government... forever!

I have lived under a dictatorship. It's no fun.... believe me. Even for those who started off supporting the dictator.

MolonLabe2009 · Jan 26, 2020

Golem said: ↑

The post is nonsense, and the answer to your question is simple:

What the left really fears is a dictatorship.

Trump most certainly is the keystone to that.
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What has Trump done that makes him the keystone to dictatorship?

Golem · Jan 26, 2020

Sahba* said: ↑

I didn't even need to highlight in bold the key point, as you did it for me, lol... If they fear a dictatorship w/ DJT why are they in such a doggone headlong rush to abrogate the 2A rights for law abiding citizens~!
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What nonsense! Looks like you're thinking it would be a dictatorship like those in Latin America in the 70s and 80s

Seth Bullock · Jan 26, 2020

spiritgide said: ↑

My apologies for the length of this article; the point needs background to put it in perspective. Trump IS the key element in the politics of today- and few understand way.

Sometimes our perspective is limited because we get too close to something. It's like the earth being seen as flat, which is obvious from the viewpoint of the average person in the average place. However. When the perspective changes, such as the viewpoint from the space station, it is unquestionably round. Some things are only clear from the comprehensive view, others require the close up view as well. I think this applies to the politics around Trump today- if you fail to see the broader perspective, you will fail to understand what you see.

Most people think of politicians individually, with a looser connection to the overall body of government or party. And while politicians continue to come and go, some things don't seem to change in Washington. Most don't ask why- but we should, and there is a reason.

Once you get to the level of Washington politics, there is something like a fraternity where everybody there is part of a brotherhood. Not in their party or platforms, but in the aspect of them all being “shipmates”, passengers on the same vessel. While they may fight, they also have a common interest in protecting the ship itself, in that it is protecting all of them.

Virtually all politicians come up through the ranks. They learn they must have the backing and support of party leaders. They have to earn approval from senior members in congress to gain any position of influence for themselves, and that means they have to obey rules- the kind not in the books. Literally, an outsider in congress who somehow gets elected and refuses to patronize the established power structure finds themselves neutered, and out at the next election. As you can see from the last election, this long-standing fact is being broken down, and radicals who attack their own party are gaining power anyway.

Presidents generally come from the field of established politicians and political families- they know the rules of the game and how it's played; they have just risen in ranks. Even Eisenhower, while not a career politician- was totally familiar with the political game, as he dealt directly with all those people for most of his career in the military.

People in the fraternity have always argued and fought each other politically- but have defended the fraternity like a brotherhood. The fraternity in turn has allowed them a vast number of perks that are not visible to the general public. For example, in 2011 the show “60 Minutes” exposed one of those perks. If you or I have inside information and use it to profit in the stock market- Jail time. If you were a member of congress, you would have access to vast amounts of information that would dramatically affect stock prices, and could be used to reap huge profits. The difference is that as a member of congress- you couldn't be prosecuted for it.

The show exposed that practice to be common to members of congress- almost all of them. When this became public, they acted shocked; as if they had just found a rat in the pantry, and were anxious to exterminate it. So with great fanfare, they passed a law called the "Stock Act" to close the loophole, and the public was satisfied. About a year later a very small change in the law was passed- quietly, in only 30 seconds, without publicity or discussion, and passed unanimously even though many members knew nothing of it... and that change effectively prevented the original Stock Act from standing in their way, and concealed future activities. That was the brotherhood, the common interest, at work.

Congress fights over public interests, but protects it's perks like a band of brothers. This same kind of association is also present in the bureaucracies; they have as much or more allegiance to their own positions and power- which they see as property- than they do to any elected administration. Together with congress-
All this is the fraternity, the brotherhood- Also collectively known as.... The Swamp.

Then.... Came Trump.

Not a politician. Not a through-the-ranks member of the club. Not dependent on the powers or approval of the established order. Not someone with a closet full of mutual political skeletons, which others helped put there. A wildcard in the game of politics, an intruder in the Swamp that they couldn't control.

Trump is the worst possible scenario for the brotherhood- An Outsider, with no vested interest in protecting their swamp, no allegiance to the brotherhood, and a strong motivation to clean it up- becoming President.

The efforts to derail him started the moment he said he would run, because such a president could endanger all the perks, benefits and hidden powers that the brotherhood has allowed them for many decades. It is seen as a core threat, not an argument of issues. Of course, they can't argue over the core- there is no way to defend it. That is what unleashed the unrestrained slander and character assassination that has been the essence of the opposition from day one.... Desperation and panic took over, common decency, integrity and propriety went out the window.

Even the republicans were wary, because they too are part of the brotherhood. For a long time, we saw many sitting on the fence not knowing which way to go. That has changed as they saw this was more than a passing disruption, and coherence is returning to the republican side.

This the real reason that Trump is hated by so many politicians, and that the hate is promoted in those who sympathize with the left. It is the core threat they fight against; the issues they argue are only excuses; the distractions and justification for the attacks. It is why the left has resorted to extremes, and particularly to the peddling of socialistic values, of telling people what they want to hear to sway them to their side- and why that is becoming even more desperate with every failure than it was during the election. Because he is actually doing what he promised he would do, and the brotherhood is losing power- fragmenting, infighting and losing it's grip on us- The new great fear is that he will be re-elected.

As you watch these ongoing attacks on the president, back away from the point of the moment and put it in the perspective of being one small part of a much larger puzzle- and you can see how it neatly fits into the big picture, of protecting the underbelly of the brotherhood of the swamp.

We are now entering into a very dangerous time, because when desperate actions fail and panic increases- even more desperate ideas will gain support. Expect it. Be prepared for it.
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Excellent writing and spot on!

"The Brotherhood" in DC is very real. It consists not only of the members of Congress, but also high-ranking bureaucrats, generals and admirals in the Pentagon, and executives in businesses that have the U.S. government as a client. They all know each other. The value of networking is like gold in the brotherhood. It is an exclusive club at the epicenter of the world's greatest economic and military power, Washington, DC. Being a part of it is intoxicating, and they will do whatever it takes to protect their place in it.

And then, as you said, along comes Trump. He's not a part of the club, and he doesn't even want to be, nor does he respect the club. And "the club" undermines him with all their might. Never mind his political positions, never mind that he wants to do good things for America ... He is a threat to the established order, and he must be resisted, he must be undermined, he must be removed.

And, I agree wholeheartedly with you on the need for congressional term limits. I think this is desperately needed to take back our Congress.

Seth

James California · Jan 26, 2020

blueline said: ↑

Do you, your kids your family get those opertunities?
Of course not. You are not the elite.
That's what Trump is trying to uncover and expose. That is why he was / is being accused of being a Russian puppet. That is why he is being impeached.
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~ Exactly. Almost the entire upper government is an elite clique of corruption and they are fighting to retain power. Sadly the media is part of this. This is why Trump has only 15 - 20% of Congress to depend on. Almost nobody can be trusted ...

MississippiMud · Jan 26, 2020

Golem said: ↑

Voicing fears and showing facts are two completely different things. Obama is in no way comparable to Trump.

It was silly then. It's very well documented now. To the point that Trump has been Impeached. You don't impeach Presidents lightly.

Your attempt at projecting some sense of fake "fairness" is obvious. Especially when you try to compare to completely opposite figures. A distinguished President, a known Constitutional scholar who might have made some mistakes in his 8 years, or carried out policies we disagree with. With an uneducated mental midget who has used the Presidency to benefit himself.

There is no such thing as "extreme left" in this country. You only repeat right wingnut media talking points. Which could only be stated either by somebody who is not being honest, or who doesn't know what the term "extreme left" means.... or both...
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I didn't compare Obama to Trump. I compared perceptions from the left to those of the right.

Agreed, impeachment shouldn't be taken lightly and yet they, both republicans and democrats have made a circus of the process. My stance is the process has been, by design, unfair to both sides.

Guilty, and thank you for pointing out my moment of hypocrisy. i should not use extreme to portray either right or left. While there are extreme folks both ways, neither group as a whole is extreme. It is a media buzz word that unfairly places undeserving folks, (as in groups not individuals) in an box they don't belong. I dislike when others do that. Thank you for setting me straight.

Let me restate... I believe that some of the fresh new faces in the democratic party are to a degree a reaction to the Trump presidency. They bring a bold in your face approach to some old ideas that i can appreciate.

Thehumankind · Jan 26, 2020

spiritgide said: ↑

My apologies for the length of this article; the point needs background to put it in perspective. Trump IS the key element in the politics of today- and few understand way.

Sometimes our perspective is limited because we get too close to something. It's like the earth being seen as flat, which is obvious from the viewpoint of the average person in the average place. However. When the perspective changes, such as the viewpoint from the space station, it is unquestionably round. Some things are only clear from the comprehensive view, others require the close up view as well. I think this applies to the politics around Trump today- if you fail to see the broader perspective, you will fail to understand what you see.

Most people think of politicians individually, with a looser connection to the overall body of government or party. And while politicians continue to come and go, some things don't seem to change in Washington. Most don't ask why- but we should, and there is a reason.

Once you get to the level of Washington politics, there is something like a fraternity where everybody there is part of a brotherhood. Not in their party or platforms, but in the aspect of them all being “shipmates”, passengers on the same vessel. While they may fight, they also have a common interest in protecting the ship itself, in that it is protecting all of them.

Virtually all politicians come up through the ranks. They learn they must have the backing and support of party leaders. They have to earn approval from senior members in congress to gain any position of influence for themselves, and that means they have to obey rules- the kind not in the books. Literally, an outsider in congress who somehow gets elected and refuses to patronize the established power structure finds themselves neutered, and out at the next election. As you can see from the last election, this long-standing fact is being broken down, and radicals who attack their own party are gaining power anyway.

Presidents generally come from the field of established politicians and political families- they know the rules of the game and how it's played; they have just risen in ranks. Even Eisenhower, while not a career politician- was totally familiar with the political game, as he dealt directly with all those people for most of his career in the military.

People in the fraternity have always argued and fought each other politically- but have defended the fraternity like a brotherhood. The fraternity in turn has allowed them a vast number of perks that are not visible to the general public. For example, in 2011 the show “60 Minutes” exposed one of those perks. If you or I have inside information and use it to profit in the stock market- Jail time. If you were a member of congress, you would have access to vast amounts of information that would dramatically affect stock prices, and could be used to reap huge profits. The difference is that as a member of congress- you couldn't be prosecuted for it.

The show exposed that practice to be common to members of congress- almost all of them. When this became public, they acted shocked; as if they had just found a rat in the pantry, and were anxious to exterminate it. So with great fanfare, they passed a law called the "Stock Act" to close the loophole, and the public was satisfied. About a year later a very small change in the law was passed- quietly, in only 30 seconds, without publicity or discussion, and passed unanimously even though many members knew nothing of it... and that change effectively prevented the original Stock Act from standing in their way, and concealed future activities. That was the brotherhood, the common interest, at work.

Congress fights over public interests, but protects it's perks like a band of brothers. This same kind of association is also present in the bureaucracies; they have as much or more allegiance to their own positions and power- which they see as property- than they do to any elected administration. Together with congress-
All this is the fraternity, the brotherhood- Also collectively known as.... The Swamp.

Then.... Came Trump.

Not a politician. Not a through-the-ranks member of the club. Not dependent on the powers or approval of the established order. Not someone with a closet full of mutual political skeletons, which others helped put there. A wildcard in the game of politics, an intruder in the Swamp that they couldn't control.

Trump is the worst possible scenario for the brotherhood- An Outsider, with no vested interest in protecting their swamp, no allegiance to the brotherhood, and a strong motivation to clean it up- becoming President.

The efforts to derail him started the moment he said he would run, because such a president could endanger all the perks, benefits and hidden powers that the brotherhood has allowed them for many decades. It is seen as a core threat, not an argument of issues. Of course, they can't argue over the core- there is no way to defend it. That is what unleashed the unrestrained slander and character assassination that has been the essence of the opposition from day one.... Desperation and panic took over, common decency, integrity and propriety went out the window.

Even the republicans were wary, because they too are part of the brotherhood. For a long time, we saw many sitting on the fence not knowing which way to go. That has changed as they saw this was more than a passing disruption, and coherence is returning to the republican side.

This the real reason that Trump is hated by so many politicians, and that the hate is promoted in those who sympathize with the left. It is the core threat they fight against; the issues they argue are only excuses; the distractions and justification for the attacks. It is why the left has resorted to extremes, and particularly to the peddling of socialistic values, of telling people what they want to hear to sway them to their side- and why that is becoming even more desperate with every failure than it was during the election. Because he is actually doing what he promised he would do, and the brotherhood is losing power- fragmenting, infighting and losing it's grip on us- The new great fear is that he will be re-elected.

As you watch these ongoing attacks on the president, back away from the point of the moment and put it in the perspective of being one small part of a much larger puzzle- and you can see how it neatly fits into the big picture, of protecting the underbelly of the brotherhood of the swamp.

We are now entering into a very dangerous time, because when desperate actions fail and panic increases- even more desperate ideas will gain support. Expect it. Be prepared for it.
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I could see that Trump overhauls the state of the economy and reducing our involvement with global politics, it's quite good but on the other facet he does not respect human tendencies as delicate as the DEMS.

garyd · Jan 26, 2020

Moonglow said: ↑

He has to pay back 2 million to a charity he stole from and he has had to pay back 25 million for fraud at Trump University and you think he is an angel from God to save us?
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The charity was his own mostly his and his family's money to begin with. Both were civil suits and not criminal offenses.

Golem · Jan 26, 2020

MolonLabe2009 said: ↑

What has Trump done that makes him the keystone to dictatorship?
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Abuse of power!

bricklayer · Jan 26, 2020

spiritgide said: ↑

My apologies for the length of this article; the point needs background to put it in perspective. Trump IS the key element in the politics of today- and few understand way.

Sometimes our perspective is limited because we get too close to something. It's like the earth being seen as flat, which is obvious from the viewpoint of the average person in the average place. However. When the perspective changes, such as the viewpoint from the space station, it is unquestionably round. Some things are only clear from the comprehensive view, others require the close up view as well. I think this applies to the politics around Trump today- if you fail to see the broader perspective, you will fail to understand what you see.

Most people think of politicians individually, with a looser connection to the overall body of government or party. And while politicians continue to come and go, some things don't seem to change in Washington. Most don't ask why- but we should, and there is a reason.

Once you get to the level of Washington politics, there is something like a fraternity where everybody there is part of a brotherhood. Not in their party or platforms, but in the aspect of them all being “shipmates”, passengers on the same vessel. While they may fight, they also have a common interest in protecting the ship itself, in that it is protecting all of them.

Virtually all politicians come up through the ranks. They learn they must have the backing and support of party leaders. They have to earn approval from senior members in congress to gain any position of influence for themselves, and that means they have to obey rules- the kind not in the books. Literally, an outsider in congress who somehow gets elected and refuses to patronize the established power structure finds themselves neutered, and out at the next election. As you can see from the last election, this long-standing fact is being broken down, and radicals who attack their own party are gaining power anyway.

Presidents generally come from the field of established politicians and political families- they know the rules of the game and how it's played; they have just risen in ranks. Even Eisenhower, while not a career politician- was totally familiar with the political game, as he dealt directly with all those people for most of his career in the military.

People in the fraternity have always argued and fought each other politically- but have defended the fraternity like a brotherhood. The fraternity in turn has allowed them a vast number of perks that are not visible to the general public. For example, in 2011 the show “60 Minutes” exposed one of those perks. If you or I have inside information and use it to profit in the stock market- Jail time. If you were a member of congress, you would have access to vast amounts of information that would dramatically affect stock prices, and could be used to reap huge profits. The difference is that as a member of congress- you couldn't be prosecuted for it.

The show exposed that practice to be common to members of congress- almost all of them. When this became public, they acted shocked; as if they had just found a rat in the pantry, and were anxious to exterminate it. So with great fanfare, they passed a law called the "Stock Act" to close the loophole, and the public was satisfied. About a year later a very small change in the law was passed- quietly, in only 30 seconds, without publicity or discussion, and passed unanimously even though many members knew nothing of it... and that change effectively prevented the original Stock Act from standing in their way, and concealed future activities. That was the brotherhood, the common interest, at work.

Congress fights over public interests, but protects it's perks like a band of brothers. This same kind of association is also present in the bureaucracies; they have as much or more allegiance to their own positions and power- which they see as property- than they do to any elected administration. Together with congress-
All this is the fraternity, the brotherhood- Also collectively known as.... The Swamp.

Then.... Came Trump.

Not a politician. Not a through-the-ranks member of the club. Not dependent on the powers or approval of the established order. Not someone with a closet full of mutual political skeletons, which others helped put there. A wildcard in the game of politics, an intruder in the Swamp that they couldn't control.

Trump is the worst possible scenario for the brotherhood- An Outsider, with no vested interest in protecting their swamp, no allegiance to the brotherhood, and a strong motivation to clean it up- becoming President.

The efforts to derail him started the moment he said he would run, because such a president could endanger all the perks, benefits and hidden powers that the brotherhood has allowed them for many decades. It is seen as a core threat, not an argument of issues. Of course, they can't argue over the core- there is no way to defend it. That is what unleashed the unrestrained slander and character assassination that has been the essence of the opposition from day one.... Desperation and panic took over, common decency, integrity and propriety went out the window.

Even the republicans were wary, because they too are part of the brotherhood. For a long time, we saw many sitting on the fence not knowing which way to go. That has changed as they saw this was more than a passing disruption, and coherence is returning to the republican side.

This the real reason that Trump is hated by so many politicians, and that the hate is promoted in those who sympathize with the left. It is the core threat they fight against; the issues they argue are only excuses; the distractions and justification for the attacks. It is why the left has resorted to extremes, and particularly to the peddling of socialistic values, of telling people what they want to hear to sway them to their side- and why that is becoming even more desperate with every failure than it was during the election. Because he is actually doing what he promised he would do, and the brotherhood is losing power- fragmenting, infighting and losing it's grip on us- The new great fear is that he will be re-elected.

As you watch these ongoing attacks on the president, back away from the point of the moment and put it in the perspective of being one small part of a much larger puzzle- and you can see how it neatly fits into the big picture, of protecting the underbelly of the brotherhood of the swamp.

We are now entering into a very dangerous time, because when desperate actions fail and panic increases- even more desperate ideas will gain support. Expect it. Be prepared for it.
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You absolutely nailed it.
What I'm bracing for is collusion with our enemies to drag us into a war before the election. I suspect they were colluding with Solemeni before Trump blew him up.

ArchStanton · Jan 26, 2020

Golem said: ↑

When I break forum rules I am always reported and I accept the consequences. Reporting me is like a "hobby" for right-wingers. I only report egregious dishonesty like potentially illegal content, plagiarism, ... things like that.

So, in the end, looks like you actually didn't have a point. Just as I suspected. Good thing I didn't waste my time watching the video...
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The video was on topic and anyone can see from the description it's just one more example of your drunken leader Queen Nancy's corruption.

She has actually committed crimes worthy of impeachment. But I'm sure you don't give a **** because she's team D.

Quantum Nerd · Jan 26, 2020

spiritgide said: ↑

My apologies for the length of this article; the point needs background to put it in perspective. Trump IS the key element in the politics of today- and few understand way.

Sometimes our perspective is limited because we get too close to something. It's like the earth being seen as flat, which is obvious from the viewpoint of the average person in the average place. However. When the perspective changes, such as the viewpoint from the space station, it is unquestionably round. Some things are only clear from the comprehensive view, others require the close up view as well. I think this applies to the politics around Trump today- if you fail to see the broader perspective, you will fail to understand what you see.

Most people think of politicians individually, with a looser connection to the overall body of government or party. And while politicians continue to come and go, some things don't seem to change in Washington. Most don't ask why- but we should, and there is a reason.

Once you get to the level of Washington politics, there is something like a fraternity where everybody there is part of a brotherhood. Not in their party or platforms, but in the aspect of them all being “shipmates”, passengers on the same vessel. While they may fight, they also have a common interest in protecting the ship itself, in that it is protecting all of them.

Virtually all politicians come up through the ranks. They learn they must have the backing and support of party leaders. They have to earn approval from senior members in congress to gain any position of influence for themselves, and that means they have to obey rules- the kind not in the books. Literally, an outsider in congress who somehow gets elected and refuses to patronize the established power structure finds themselves neutered, and out at the next election. As you can see from the last election, this long-standing fact is being broken down, and radicals who attack their own party are gaining power anyway.

Presidents generally come from the field of established politicians and political families- they know the rules of the game and how it's played; they have just risen in ranks. Even Eisenhower, while not a career politician- was totally familiar with the political game, as he dealt directly with all those people for most of his career in the military.

People in the fraternity have always argued and fought each other politically- but have defended the fraternity like a brotherhood. The fraternity in turn has allowed them a vast number of perks that are not visible to the general public. For example, in 2011 the show “60 Minutes” exposed one of those perks. If you or I have inside information and use it to profit in the stock market- Jail time. If you were a member of congress, you would have access to vast amounts of information that would dramatically affect stock prices, and could be used to reap huge profits. The difference is that as a member of congress- you couldn't be prosecuted for it.

The show exposed that practice to be common to members of congress- almost all of them. When this became public, they acted shocked; as if they had just found a rat in the pantry, and were anxious to exterminate it. So with great fanfare, they passed a law called the "Stock Act" to close the loophole, and the public was satisfied. About a year later a very small change in the law was passed- quietly, in only 30 seconds, without publicity or discussion, and passed unanimously even though many members knew nothing of it... and that change effectively prevented the original Stock Act from standing in their way, and concealed future activities. That was the brotherhood, the common interest, at work.

Congress fights over public interests, but protects it's perks like a band of brothers. This same kind of association is also present in the bureaucracies; they have as much or more allegiance to their own positions and power- which they see as property- than they do to any elected administration. Together with congress-
All this is the fraternity, the brotherhood- Also collectively known as.... The Swamp.

Then.... Came Trump.

Not a politician. Not a through-the-ranks member of the club. Not dependent on the powers or approval of the established order. Not someone with a closet full of mutual political skeletons, which others helped put there. A wildcard in the game of politics, an intruder in the Swamp that they couldn't control.

Trump is the worst possible scenario for the brotherhood- An Outsider, with no vested interest in protecting their swamp, no allegiance to the brotherhood, and a strong motivation to clean it up- becoming President.

The efforts to derail him started the moment he said he would run, because such a president could endanger all the perks, benefits and hidden powers that the brotherhood has allowed them for many decades. It is seen as a core threat, not an argument of issues. Of course, they can't argue over the core- there is no way to defend it. That is what unleashed the unrestrained slander and character assassination that has been the essence of the opposition from day one.... Desperation and panic took over, common decency, integrity and propriety went out the window.

Even the republicans were wary, because they too are part of the brotherhood. For a long time, we saw many sitting on the fence not knowing which way to go. That has changed as they saw this was more than a passing disruption, and coherence is returning to the republican side.

This the real reason that Trump is hated by so many politicians, and that the hate is promoted in those who sympathize with the left. It is the core threat they fight against; the issues they argue are only excuses; the distractions and justification for the attacks. It is why the left has resorted to extremes, and particularly to the peddling of socialistic values, of telling people what they want to hear to sway them to their side- and why that is becoming even more desperate with every failure than it was during the election. Because he is actually doing what he promised he would do, and the brotherhood is losing power- fragmenting, infighting and losing it's grip on us- The new great fear is that he will be re-elected.

As you watch these ongoing attacks on the president, back away from the point of the moment and put it in the perspective of being one small part of a much larger puzzle- and you can see how it neatly fits into the big picture, of protecting the underbelly of the brotherhood of the swamp.

We are now entering into a very dangerous time, because when desperate actions fail and panic increases- even more desperate ideas will gain support. Expect it. Be prepared for it.
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That's kind of funny. Do you think anyone can make real estate deals of 100s of millions of dollars while NOT being a politician and NOT being able to play the game of the good old boys club? If you REALLY think that, you are not as smart as I had thought. Trump IS the establishment.

Golem · Jan 26, 2020

MississippiMud said: ↑

Let me restate... I believe that some of the fresh new faces in the democratic party are to a degree a reaction to the Trump presidency. They bring a bold in your face approach to some old ideas that i can appreciate.
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I appreciate your post, and your honest clarification. I wouldn't call Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren "fresh faces". If you are referring to new "icons" (for lack of a better term) in the Democratic Party, like The Squad and such, I don't think they are particularly a reaction to Trump. They have been long in the making. They are a reaction to the increased urgency of Global Warming, to the inaction on mass shootings... and even though during the Trump administration there has been an increase in racial division, the fact is that Trump didn't create them. Trump just exacerbated them. All these are simply the continuation of long time Democratic belief in social justice, equality, freedom of speech, ... But they are the same principles held by democrats for many decades like Harry Truman, LBJ, Humphrey, ...

MolonLabe2009 · Jan 26, 2020

Golem said: ↑

Abuse of power!
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Obama abused power for 8 fricking years and you didn't give a damn. Why?

Golem · Jan 26, 2020

ArchStanton said: ↑

The video was on topic and anyone can see from the description it's just one more example of your drunken leader Queen Nancy's corruption.
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The topic is "Why Trump is the keystone, and what the left really fears". What does that have to do with "Queen Nancy's corruption"?

I responded to the topic. And you attempted to change the subject. That's what usually happens when I have made a valid point to which the person I'm debating doesn't have a response.

So my job is done. Thanks for playing...

nra37922 · Jan 26, 2020

MolonLabe2009 said: ↑

Obama abused power for 8 fricking years and you didn't give a damn. Why?
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Do you really have to ask?

Andrew Jackson · Jan 26, 2020

Golem said: ↑

The post is nonsense, and the answer to your question is simple:

What the left really fears is a dictatorship.

Trump most certainly is the keystone to that.
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Very true, Mr. Golem.

Trump is Amateur who got Lucky.

No more, No less.

He threaded an impossible needle and set back the Constitution 200 years.

spiritgide · Jan 26, 2020

Thehumankind said: ↑

I could see that Trump overhauls the state of the economy and reducing our involvement with global politics, it's quite good but on the other facet he does not respect human tendencies as delicate as the DEMS.
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I disagree, and here's why. People who are mature and wise- who have the capacity to successfully manage their own lives- know the value of independence, of personal strength and character. They live by it and they do their best to instill that in their children, and they teach us to reject the idea that others in the world owe us and so we are entitled... to take from them what we won't do for ourselves. They know if we accept that compromise, we will become dependent, others will control us, and we will lose our self-respect in the process.

People who are insecure in themselves see all life as adversary, and often need power over others to feel safe- so they do the opposite. They promote that concept of entitlement, in order to make you dependent on their promises, and the values they say they will take from others for your benefit.

IF they actually cared about your future, they would want to see you strong- not dependent. What you see in the democratic politics today is a much like a medicine show from long ago, pitchmen promising what you want to hear in exchange for trust- and money. They actually fear strong people, because they can't manipulate them. They see you as better fit to the role of follower, and they as master.

If you are truly a strong person, you do not fear strength in others- you promote it because each time we add a strong person to our society, the society gets stronger. Just like adding good players to the team. When you promote weakness, it seems sympathetic- but it undermines our society. If we have enough weakness- we have nothing at all.

I promote your strength- I want people to be secure in themselves, capable of managing their own lives, happy and thriving- because I know that the more of us are like that, the better my world will be.
It's a different kind of philosophy, driven by faith in people rather than fear of them.

spiritgide · Jan 26, 2020

Quantum Nerd said: ↑

That's kind of funny. Do you think anyone can make real estate deals of 100s of millions of dollars while NOT being a politician and NOT being able to play the game of the good old boys club? If you REALLY think that, you are not as smart as I had thought. Trump IS the establishment.
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You are confusing the establishment of free enterprise with the good-ol-boys game of politics. Yes, Trump has had to deal with a lot of politics- but not from the position of cooperation and support, just dealing with the BS. I'm a small businessman, but I've been at it for 50 years, and I've had to deal with a lot of it too. That doesn't mean I support the condition it's in, it means I recognize it and the dangers of having to deal with it.

spiritgide · Jan 26, 2020

Andrew Jackson said: ↑

Very true, Mr. Golem.

Trump is Amateur who got Lucky.

No more, No less.

He threaded an impossible needle and set back the Constitution 200 years.
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If you think Trump's election and chain of successes are luck, you are the kind of guy every casino wants to see at their tables.

Golem · Jan 26, 2020

MolonLabe2009 said: ↑

Obama abused power for 8 fricking years and you didn't give a damn. Why?
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Because he didn't.

BTW. Who's Obama?

MolonLabe2009 · Jan 26, 2020

Golem said: ↑

Because he didn't.

BTW. Who's Obama?
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Barak HUSSEIN Obama abused his power for 8 fricking years and you left-wingers didn't give a crap.

Spare me the faux outrage over Trump.

One Mind · Jan 26, 2020

Golem said: ↑

The post is nonsense, and the answer to your question is simple:

What the left really fears is a dictatorship.

Trump most certainly is the keystone to that.
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If they fear that they didnt take civics. And are probably below 80 in IQ .

Golem · Jan 26, 2020

MolonLabe2009 said: ↑

Barak HUSSEIN Obama abused his power for 8 fricking years and you left-wingers didn't give a crap.

Spare me the faux outrage over Trump.
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Oh... if his middle name is HUSSEIN.... and seeing it there in all caps.. yep, that settles it.... he must have abused power.... somehow. In some way... who knows...

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