GOP should allow more witnesses!!!

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  1. opion8d

    opion8d Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The argument that one cannot introduce evidence after the grand jury (House of Representatives) simply doesn't fly with the legal process and not with 75% of the voters. If, in the middle of a trial (the Senate) new evidence was discovered that would exonerate the accused, what then? Let's ban it and hang the guy anyway?

    What would Republican reaction be if Bolton had evidence to exonerate Trump? Would they take time to listen or vote "no," it might delay the trial? No, the prosecution should have presented later, so no deal? How differently facts look when on the other shoe.
     
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    Let it all come out!!Truth and exposure is the best disinfectant.
     
  3. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    in order for there to be witnesses of something there has to have been something to witness.
     
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  4. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Bolton says he witnessed Trump call for aid to be withheld for corrupt puposes
     
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    And other offices say that's BS.
    It IS the presidents duty to be prudent about the process of gifting tax dollars to other countries. We have every right to expect that we are getting certain safeguards in return so our money will be used as intended, and not be pissed away by their corruption. That is particularly true in the Ukraine, recognized as the most corrupt nation on earth. I would be angry with any president who handled that casually and imprudently, as Obama did with middle east policy. I would be far more offended by the lack of restraint than by the use of it.

    One of the reasons for that law was specifically to prevent an official from altering the process for PERSONAL gain- exactly as Joe Biden did, and so admitted on video news. Of course, Joe being democrat, the democrat see nothing.

    One of the provisions of the act you quote allows for the president to delay funds when necessary to provide for contingencies- things not predictable and maybe variable, such as.... the existence of evidence of apparent corruption; knowing that the recipient nation is actually going to use the funds properly, not use it to further corruption. He does not need congressional approval to do that.

    We have been watching the left twist and distort every law and policy in order to destroy Trump since day one. It's failed for over three years now, and they haven't learned a damn thing about anything. Still doubling down with the same BS ploys.
     
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    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    Well it wasn't. you don't give foreign aid to a country that's under investigation for corruption. It's corrupt to not withhold aid.

    I hear you can't just make up your own ethics and expected the rest of the world just to take leave of their sense.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    it had nothing to do with corruption it was all about investigating his political opponents son and the wacky idea that the 2016 DNC server is in Ukraine.

    These were personal and ridiculous reasons to withhold aid and the President should not be allowed to do such things
     
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    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    I'm sorry the investigation was going on long before Biden announced his candidacy.

    Knowing that his son was being investigated he probably shouldn't have run
    We should just dissolve every Branch if the government the Democrats don't control.

    Why don't you just come out and say you want the Democrat party to have no competitors.
     
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    Whether they like it or not they don't have the votes to prevent the introduction of witnesses.

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...otes-to-block-witnesses/ar-BBZoXJf?ocid=ientp
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It looks like there will be witnesses. We will come much closer to the truth.

    The GOP should be happy.
     
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    opion8d Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The 75% that want additional testimony finally got through the thick lead wall of Trump defenses that has so effectively blocked the truth of Trump's corruption. An added benefit is voters are feeling more positive toward Biden. Calling Biden will get blocked by the Senate. Biden is considered to be an honest player by most Senators.
     
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    Shokin's investigation of Bursima was prior to Hunter joining Burisma, so good luck with that.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Republicans don't want Bolton to testify because they are afraid he has dirt on Trump.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    if the aid was on hold really due to a concern about corruption in Ukraine, what actions and steps did Ukraine take against corruption that convinced Trump the aid should be released??

    Hmmmmmm???
     
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    I'm sorry Hunter was installed as a CEO of a corrupt organization. Who sings the reason he was had to do with corruption.
     
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    Boy, I get so sick and tired of these Russian responses.
     
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    What if Bolton says Trump did say, behind closed doors that he wanted Ukraine to investigate Bidens? problem is, Trump and Zelensky deny the quid pro quo. Where does that get us? NOWHERE.. now it becomes his word vs his word. Does this really get us anywhere? The only way to get to the bottom of this is to have the two parties testify - Trump and Zelensky OR someone provide proof that Trump did ask for a quid pro quo and Zelensky knew about it. The problem is, the transcript is already public.

    There is much more damage to be done to democrats by having Bidens testify than Bolton doing damage to Trump. Mark my words on this. Joe and Hunter will not be able to defend their corrupt like actions - a son profiting millions off his dad's position and the dad abusing his power by saving his son from prosecution. How will that play out in a testimony? not good. Bolton? Bolton will be destroyed in court of public opinion, he has a book on he way, this doesn't look good for him, makes him look like he just wants to profit from this 'bombshell', plus he has no evidence, just will be his word vs others. I guarantee you this will disappoint everyone. We have heard about these 'bombshells' in the past, time and time again and every time, democrats are left depressed by the letdowns.
     
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    I've never seen anything about Trump putting it on hold, and I don't think you have either. It may well have been due to normal process delays. However if Trump did temporarily delay it. that was a rightful call. Not a back and white issue, but a call- and one he obviously didn't stick with, and the money went through shortly anyway. Trump REQUESTED the Ukraine to look into the Biden corruption possibility.
    How in hell can anyone look at the Biden/Burisma video and the Biden's family enrichment connections, and think they have a case against Trump? He should have demanded they investigate the Biden aspect of it, because anyone with a working brain knows it's there. More keeps coming out, including the Ukraine clearly attempting to interfere with the 2016 election- and that too IS corruption of interest to us, regardless of whom they were trying to help or harm. They were probably trying to help Hillary, because they knew she could be bought- damn near everyone knew that. They didn't know if Trump could. The Ukraine president Trump dealt with was not in office when the election meddling took place, but it would be entirely reasonable to suspect that the new leadership was suspect too.

    It would take someone blind in one eye, not seeing out of the other.... and carrying one hell of a bisa to fail to see the Biden mess and it's relativity to Trump's request.
    Certainly such a viewpoint would carry zero credibility. But then, that is the condition on the left today.
     
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    This is a trial - where the defendant has the right to a sound defense. The prosecution had its chance to present the evidence - no good defense lawyer is going to willingly agree to more - and that is exactly what the defense has maintained.

    So lets go with what we have - and let the chips fall where they may.
     
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    Lol now back to the original conspiracy theory.
     
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    No they should not. The dems had every chance to call witnesses in the House....tough cookies!
     
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    The R’s are damned if they do and damned if they don’t.

    The D’s should just stand back and watch. There is no reason for negotiation or deals. Just hand the R’s the rope.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    why are you afraid of more evidence being presented?

    in a trial, new evidence is presented all the time.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    sure we do.

    Trump ordered the aid be put on hold until Ukraine agreed to investigate Hunter Biden and the "missing" DNC server.

    he only released the aid when the whistleblower told the nation about this.

    in fact, he released the aid the VERY same day.

    so I ask again: if Trump was REALLY holding the aid due to corruption in Ukraine, what actions did Ukraine take to warrant releasing the aid?
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    WRONG!!!

    the White House banned all former and current White House staff from cooperating with the House subpoenas. Hence the Obstruction charge.
     
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