NASA says less solar activity for 5 yrs

Discussion in 'Science' started by Quasar44, Jan 17, 2020.

  1. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 13, 2009
    Messages:
    92,589
    Likes Received:
    74,045
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    No it is NOT “going to be “Waterworld” and who said it would be

    THAT is a straw man of gigantic proportions

    And IF you think it is about “money power and control” then you are NOT thinking in global terms

    upload_2020-1-19_17-40-45.jpeg
     
  2. Quasar44

    Quasar44 Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2020
    Messages:
    2,939
    Likes Received:
    915
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I have said there is very slight GW but we don’t know if it’s man or sun
     
  3. Quasar44

    Quasar44 Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2020
    Messages:
    2,939
    Likes Received:
    915
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I have agreed on BB and Evol

    we all know earth is flat !!!! Lol
    I have seen earth fall off a cliff by plane lol
     
    Last edited: Jan 19, 2020
  4. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 13, 2009
    Messages:
    92,589
    Likes Received:
    74,045
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
  5. Quasar44

    Quasar44 Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2020
    Messages:
    2,939
    Likes Received:
    915
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Plenty of experts who think its due to suns activity as CO2 is very minor molecule in air
     
  6. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2009
    Messages:
    38,302
    Likes Received:
    14,769
    Trophy Points:
    113
    On what did you base that estimate?
     
  7. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2012
    Messages:
    107,541
    Likes Received:
    34,488
    Trophy Points:
    113
    It is the ONLY source of heat for our atmosphere with internal heat playing a very minor role so it is the most significant factor. Earths atmosphere has almost always had higher CO2 than now. We are in a significant deficit of CO2 due to the 2.5 million year ice age we are in. Plants start to die at 150 ppm. Plants thrive at 1000 ppm and why greenhouses pump in extra CO2. If anything more CO2 and warming are beneficial to plants and animals.
     
    Last edited: Jan 19, 2020
  8. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2012
    Messages:
    107,541
    Likes Received:
    34,488
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Much of the fear mongering is counter to what the IPCC says.
     
  9. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2013
    Messages:
    19,294
    Likes Received:
    7,606
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    Diving For Dollars Science.
    Gimmie a break
    or
    Explain how YOUR Wildfires were a product of
    Man Made Global Warming.
    And your dying coral reef too!




    Climate changes Just Like The Weather
    YOU O.Z.'s add all that CO2 to your atmosphere and wonder why you have wild fires.


    My fav transition was from the Carboniferous to the Permian.
    I like an oxygen saturated Planet became, Fire Ball Earth.

    Eras-of-Life.jpg

    Ah, the Carboniferous, source of Oil, Coal and so much fossil fuels.
    All that CO2 waiting to be FREE.


    Moi :oldman:




    What Aboot :flagcanada: dumping all that fresh water
    attempting to shut down the oceanic thermal conveyor currents.
    eh
     
  10. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2013
    Messages:
    59,879
    Likes Received:
    16,452
    Trophy Points:
    113
    First of all, the reason you know this is that climatologists figured this out. But, now you seem to think that climatologists aren't considering their findings!! In fact, you are sugesting that ALL climatologists from around the entire world are in lock step, ignoring their findings.

    I do not accept that there can be such a perfectly implemented conspiracy of that size with no evidence of it.

    Beyond that, let's remember that the earliest members of Homo came 2.8 million years ago. In fact, Earth's human population BC, a mere 2020 years ago, was negligable. If it got too hot or cold or seas rose, or whatever, affected humans could move - or they could die and we wouldn't care.. When humans were primarily hunter/gatherers they didn't have to depend on crops that might fail.

    We don't have those options today.
     
    Bowerbird likes this.
  11. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2012
    Messages:
    107,541
    Likes Received:
    34,488
    Trophy Points:
    113
    A logical fallacy and an assumption that ALL climatologists are in lock step.

    When it gets hot or cold now we have technology to take care of that. Oceans have been higher and lower in the past so how do you propose to stop Mother Nature?
     
  12. Monash

    Monash Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2019
    Messages:
    4,573
    Likes Received:
    3,162
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    'Cold' is a relative term. The average white dwarf star has a surface temperature around the 100,000K mark.
     
    Bowerbird likes this.
  13. Monash

    Monash Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2019
    Messages:
    4,573
    Likes Received:
    3,162
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    This is a false equivalency I've seen quoted by 'deniers' on a couple of occasions. What is overlooked is how a green house operates.

    The owner of the green house plants a crop e.g. tomato, grapes etc, provides light and water and pumps in CO2. All good so far.That crop then grows i.e. it converts the CO2 in the air into carbon stored as plant mass. Again no problem. What you have overlooked is the next step.

    Come harvest time the owner of the green house physically removes almost ALL that stored carbon from the green house, takes it outside to be processed and then plants a new crop to continue the cycle.

    So the question is what happens if that grower was to seal off the green house and not remove any plant material while still pumping in CO2. Answer?

    The crops grow and fruit absorbing CO2. They then go to seed, die off and rot - in the process releasing all that stored CO2 again. Some small amount will get locked in the soil but the majority is released back into the air of the green house. The result is that an equilibrium point is soon reached with the amount of CO2 going 'in' as plant mass comes 'out' again as a decay product. At that point pumping in more CO2 is pointless - all you will do is kill the plants.

    And you can't beat this cycle. The Earth manages by 'locking' surplus carbon geologically in its crust.- where it says pending release via natural forces such as volcanic eruptions etc or is otherwise released by Man made means.

    And if you don't believe this explanation look it up or ask someone who runs a gardening center or green house.
     
    Last edited: Jan 27, 2020
    Bowerbird likes this.
  14. Monash

    Monash Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2019
    Messages:
    4,573
    Likes Received:
    3,162
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Also we are not in an 'Ice Age'. To be correct we are currently in an Inter-Glacial Period. Starting about 500,000 years or so ago there have been 6 of them, the latest starting about 12000 years ago. If the Earth was experiencing an 'Ice Age' there would permanent glaciers and snow fields down into the Northern United States and in Europe down to Southern England, which would be connected to the continent by a land bridge. Moscow and everything north of it would be under ice.
     
    Last edited: Jan 29, 2020
    Bowerbird likes this.
  15. Thought Criminal

    Thought Criminal Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2017
    Messages:
    18,135
    Likes Received:
    13,224
    Trophy Points:
    113
  16. truth and justice

    truth and justice Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2011
    Messages:
    25,877
    Likes Received:
    8,845
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The more CO2 in the atmosphere, the more heat is trapped in the atmosphere, raising sea temperatures, reducing the amount of plant life in the oceans. Plant life in the oceans is much greater than that on land. Animal and plant life is relatively dead in warm waters compared to cold waters. More CO2 and warming is not beneficial to plants and animals.
     
    Bowerbird likes this.
  17. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2013
    Messages:
    59,879
    Likes Received:
    16,452
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The problems come from the change, not from some idea of how much CO2 we're supposed to have or once had.

    Looking back to ancient times is good from the point of view of understanding climatology, but it doesn't provide an argument for allowing human activity to speed up warming today.

    The overalll impact of warming has serious consequences that are not mitigated by providing more CO2 to plants.

    Extra CO2 is not benefitting plant life in Australia, for example. Also, it's not benefitting food production in Bangladesh, where people are trying to cross India's wall against them. Also, it didn't help agriculture in Syria's years long drought that forced people to leave farms to try to find food in the cities - one of the factors in the wars there.

    Giving more CO2 to plants that are limited by absence of some other requirement just doesn't help.
     
    Bowerbird likes this.
  18. Dispondent

    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2009
    Messages:
    34,260
    Likes Received:
    8,086
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You folks don't plan on dismantling your entire hoax apparatus, do you?
     
  19. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2013
    Messages:
    59,879
    Likes Received:
    16,452
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Please cite evidence of the conspiracy that would be required to promote a world wide hoax backed by scientists in the numerous fields the combine to form climatology.

    Seriously. If you are going to claim this, I want evidence of this conspiracy.
     
  20. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 13, 2009
    Messages:
    92,589
    Likes Received:
    74,045
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    Do you folks plan on actually learning the science?
     
  21. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 13, 2009
    Messages:
    92,589
    Likes Received:
    74,045
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    I want evidence that any of the more ardent denialists have read a textbook
     
  22. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 13, 2009
    Messages:
    92,589
    Likes Received:
    74,045
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    Do you want me to type it slower?

    Imagine you are in a closed room with the heater on and you turn the heater down but the room still gets hotter................
     
  23. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 13, 2009
    Messages:
    92,589
    Likes Received:
    74,045
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    Hmm and they are “experts” in what? Bulldust? Gay frog conspiracies?
     
  24. Quasar44

    Quasar44 Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2020
    Messages:
    2,939
    Likes Received:
    915
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Try physics and not fake climate sciences lol
     
  25. Thought Criminal

    Thought Criminal Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2017
    Messages:
    18,135
    Likes Received:
    13,224
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Imagine that you're on a planet, of which its only source of heat is a nearby star. Then imagine reading, in a supposedly authoritative article, that that nearby star doesn't play the main role in the temperature of that planet.
     
    Last edited: Jan 30, 2020

Share This Page