Attorney General Barr Issues New Rules For Politically Sensitive Investigations

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  1. Egoboy

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    Because Trump clearly obstructed justice in 4 sections of Volume 2, and Mueller couldn't do anything about it and left it to Congress.
     
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    Really? Is that why Mueller said that he was not interfered (I believe he said "hindered") with at all in his Congressional Testimony?
     
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    Sure.... false equivalencies RULE in 2020!!

    One clearly has nothing to do with the other... except in Trump-buzz world...
     
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    Huh? False equivalencies? One has nothing to do with the other?

    Are you even responding to the right post?
     
  5. Egoboy

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    You are correct again... I am responding to the wrong posts.... yours...
     
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    Except where he asked his cronies to get rid of key figures involved in the investigation and prevented witnesses from testifying. I see twump cultists are trying to flood political forums to spread lies.
     
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    He clearly outlined several attempts at obstruction including trying to send Mcgahn to get Mueller fired and having Barr write an erroneous summary. This is what happens when you rely on cherry picking instead of reading the report.
     
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    "...having Barr write an erroneous summary."

    Fake News
     
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    The requirement covers investigations that fall under the USDoJ.
     
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    Where did Mueller make the factual determination that Trump acted with corrupt intent?
     
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    Lugenpresse, gotta love this age old tactic.
     
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    Lol now we care about mens rea?
     
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    Mueller details several possibility obstructive acts.
    Nowhere did he make the factual determination that these acts were, indeed, obstructions of justice.
     
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    Mueller did:


    Mueller:
    Three basic elements are common to most of the relevant obstruction statutes: (1) an obstructive act; (2) a nexus between the obstructive act and an official proceeding; and (3) a corrupt intent.

    Mueller:
    Applying the obstruction statutes to the President’s official conduct would involve determining as a factual matter whether he engaged in an obstructive act, whether the act had a nexus to official proceedings, and whether he was motivated by corrupt intent.

    Mueller:
    “Acting ‘corruptly’ within the meaning of § 1512(c)(2) means acting with an improper purpose and to engage in conduct knowingly and dishonestly with the specific intent to subvert, impede or obstruct” the relevant proceeding

    Mueller:
    As an initial matter, the term “corruptly” sets a demanding standard. It requires a concrete showing that a person acted with an intent to obtain an “improper advantage for [him]self or someone else, inconsistent with official duty and the rights of others.”


    Where did Mueller make the factual determination that Trump acted with corrupt intent?
     
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    This is an English language website. It's even in the rules.

    You can't prove your statement. So there!
     
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    I was specifically talking about Twump’s defense team later pretending that mens rea is not something that our judiciary deals with all the time. Mueller knew about mens rea which is apparent when he specifically left the charging and determination of 3 to congress. 1 and 2 are easily determined by Trump’s hampering or attempting to hamper the investigation.

    3 is also where Barr lied about the report and took on additional powers of determining that he did not have. 3 is ultimately determined by a judge, not Barr and when Barr wrote his summary pretending Mueller had the ability to exonerate or charge the president, he misrepresented the report.

    In conclusion if you are asking for number 3, you would also have to admit Barr was talking out of his ass when he pre-maturely tried to exonerate Twump.
     
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    Feel free to report me instead of trying to be an armchair moderator. Also lolwut? Do you know what the word means? It would look awful silly if you didnt and still tried to claim i cant prove something you know nothing about.
     
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    Barr knew about the investigations which is why he opined on it before he became AG
     
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    So?
    So you agree:

    - Mueller did not make the factual determination that Trump acted with corrupt intent
    - Absent said determination, the "potentially obstructive acts" outlined by Mueller do not meet the standards necessary for a charge of Obstruction
    - Thus, the claim that "Trump clearly obstructed justice in 4 sections of Volume 2" has no bases in fact.

    Thanks.
     
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    Well, that's a poor excuse for a deflection from your totally false statement.

    BTW

    You can't know what my knowledge base is.
     
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    Wow! Way to cite irrelevant facts.

    FYI:

    Crossfire Hurricane was not started under Barr. You can look it up.
     
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    Crossfire Hurricane?
    We are talking about the mueller investigations.
     
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    You literally said fake news with no substance to back it up. Way to get your panties in a bunch lol.
     
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    Hmm...

    Maybe now's the time to read the thread title.
     
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    I did. Nothing about crossfire hurricane whatever that is. Barr knew about the investigation before he was AG, which is why he commented on it.
     
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