So how is Bernie going to get them to do that

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  1. logical1

    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Watching a Bernie speech on TV, he is promising free health care. That mean he is going to have to convince Doctors, Hospitals, and Drug Companies to give us free health care. If they dont, then there is no such thing as what he is talking about. Someone has to pay!!!! All this nonsense he and other democrats are promising is just a wet dream, and pandering to those to stupid to know it is not going to happen. All his free stuff* is a total lie, since it would destroy the country!!!!

    * ****
     
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    Bernie Freeshit Sanders vomits out unobtainable promises and when confronted, he turns red and starts finger pointing.
    Gotta love his barber though.
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    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    He looks like a calf licked his hair.
     
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    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's what socialists do, destroy everything they touch...
     
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    When America at large gets dose of Bernie and have to choose between his lunacy and Trump's jerk like nature...well my money says they will decide better a jerk than a crazy man... But America at large has not seen Bernie yet....
     
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    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not too many on the left want to come out to play on this subject. But then almost all of them know that there isnt really any free stuff, someone has to pay. There hope is that there is enough stupid voters that will vote for any candidate voting free stuff.

    The mouse about to get the cheese off the trap doesnt realize what is going to happen. It happens in real life too.
     
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    I'm not on board with Medicare for all but I'll help you understand Bernie a little bit.

    No, they will be paid by the government. They won't do it for free. Medicare already does this for tens of millions of people.

    Payroll tax. We already have a payroll tax for Medicare. We will increase the payroll tax to cover everyone. And in exchange, we get rid of healthcare premiums, deductibles, and out of pocket expenses.

    Actually every other developed nation, 32 out of 33 has something like this. They pay less than half for healthcare than we do, people live just as long or longer, and people are just as healthy or healthier.
     
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    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And tell us what all that is going to cost.
     
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    So it isn't free healthcare. Thanks.
     
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    Bernie gonna put them in the secret pressure pinch headlock until they do what he says.
     
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    Its not free, its affordable.
     
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    It depends on how you implement the system. The cost ranges from about the same as our private system, to about 2/3 of its cost, if we implement cost saving reforms. You will pay relative to how much you earn, so lower income people will get some financial relief. The cost will probably be highest when the system isn't stable yet and not all the reforms have been fully implemented.
     
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    Affordable for who? Not the folks having to pay for it.
     
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    Actual nonsense medicare and Medicaid pay about 60 to 75% of the cost of treatment, the remainders goes on the health care of people who work when those people 60 to 70 percent of the population are no longer picking up that tab health care workers are going to get one hell of a close shave, and they aren't going to like it a damn bit. And know health care cost aren't going to decrease because you got rid of the health insurance biz if anything cost will increase or remain unchanged. And you have a hell of a lot if people who were paying substantial amount into the system that are now on food stamps and essentially unemployable because all that stuff they spent time talent and treasure learning is no longer worth the price of a dead rat.
     
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    Someone said this morning he's got delegates but no hairbrushes.
     
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    FTR I like Bernie. I think his policies, if implemented, would destroy the nation. But I believe he believes they'll make it a better place, which is more than I can say for any of the other Dems. I won't vote for him. But I get where those that do are coming from.

    Also I respect a man who isn't concerned with his image.
     
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    All those countries you refer to are getting their defense paid for by us. Cut off the foreign aid and military subsidies and we'll see just how great their free ****/affordable healthcare is.
     
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    Ok, explain to me how we are paying for the defense of Germany.
     
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    Befor the ACA my health care was very affordable. After it was most definitely more expensive about 75% more expensive.
     
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    Bernie's plan has virtually no out of pocket. Its more like Medicare-but-better for all. Thats why costs 3 trillion dollars. I don't agree with healthcare that pays for everything because it doesn't encourage low costs. We need ways of encouraging lower costs. One way we can do this is low other countries do this. Since the government will cover everyone, make all the hospitals and drug companies compete to be included in the public network by offering lower prices.
    https://www.vox.com/2019/4/10/18304448/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all
     
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    That happened because Obamacare made health insurance companies cover everyone and limited how much they could discriminate against sick people, and limit how much they could put loopholes in their healthcare plans.
     
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    Ever hear of NATO?
     
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    Single payer like Medicare is not free ! You pay for it.

    Hell at least be honest about it! Do you really have to lie? Or act so uninformed?

    Yet congress will never pass such a bill and you guys who tell tales out of school damn well know this .

    The dems rejected single pay when they passed obamacare . Written by the big insurance and big pharma. We are an oligarchy after all the united states of big buck banks and corporations.

    Clearly reality isnt the forte of most Americans.

    I would love to see Bernie win just so both sides would go hysterical and crap in their britches. For naught.
     
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