Does Religious Freedom Supercede Gender Identity?

Patients. Meaning individuals who believe that something is wrong but cannot identify specifically what is wrong, or why it is believed that it is wrong. Meaning they are in search of answers.

How is bullying on the part of the states over expressing an opinion regarded as the superior option.

With the above once again circling back around to the notion that some individuals are of such poor mental health, that they would willingly end their own existence over hearing something that they simply do not want to hear.

One who is in such a fragile state of mental health cannot truly be saved. It is arguable someone in such a fragile state does not even want to be saved, as they will have to confront an unkind, uncaring world that will not treat them gently.

In the modern world where everything is exploited for political gain, everything is suspect.

Some surgeries and medications can be proven as being necessary. In the case of gender reassignment surgery, it comes down to a feeling. Society is told the suffering of these individuals is real, that their condition is real, but there is no way of proving such. The only thing that can be proven is their chromosome structure, being either XX or XY. Yet they claim biology is wrong when there is no hard scientific evidence to support such.

 

The difference is that religious beliefs may be factually correct but cannot yet be proven, as only the dead will know for certain.

What can and has been proven, in a scientific manner and easily replicated, is the structure of human chromosomes. One is either XX for female, or XY for male. How an individual feels at any given moment of the day cannot change this confirmed fact.

 

As I mentioned in an earlier post, I'm happy to humor anyone who is gender confused, or actually looks like the opposite sex and doesn't have to demand that I "alleviate their suffering". I'm an extraordinarily polite person and I have a sense of humor.

When I won't be polite or have a sense of humor is if someone is screaming demands that I say specific words to them that I don't feel like saying. I don't respond well to demands on my freedom to speak or refuse to speak. I don't have to talk to anyone I don't want to talk to. It's within my free speech to be rude to someone (though I choose not to be). It's unconstitutional to demand that another citizen can compel me to say "specific words" to them.

Everyone would call Blair White "she".

On the opposite extreme...

Most people are going to balk at calling this guy "she" because he's rude, demanding and threatening. I doubt that complying with his demands would have done much to "alleviate his suffering". No "woman" would be able to behave like this guy who is acting like a high-testosterone masculine brute in heels and make-up.

 

Because this latest push by the state of California holds that their delusion is superior to scientific evidence that holds their delusion to the contrary.

If an individual who is not handicapped claims that they are, should they be corrected? Do they deserve special parking when there is nothing wrong with them, simply because they believe something is wrong with them?

Such is not the claim was made, but rather a deliberate misrepresentation on the part of yourself.

The truth of the matter is that the gender of the victim does matter, and demonstrates the true nature of the aggressor.

 

The laws are not doing what is being claimed. They are dealing with a specific type of harassment in the workplace. There is nothing in the law about simply not using their pronouns. It the doing so in a manner that creates a hostile workspace or constitutes harassment. If I pass a FtM on the street and make a remake using "she" the law doesn't apply.

 

Who do you think pays for yours?
Your union of sin and bigotry is just as an affront to my religion as homosexuality is to yours.

 

Yes, those people — if they say treatment is working who are you or I to disagree with them?

And my argument is that is isn’t the people that are fragile that are the issue — it is the bullies.

Their suffering is real or they would not be resorting to changing their outward appearance and in some cases taking their own life.

How do you “prove” suffering?

The vast majority of them are not claiming that they are not XX or XY, just that their mental state does not match their physical state.

 

When we look at history and see the wars and conflicts between countries and civil wars within countries of Catholic vs Protestant vs Lutheran, vs etc. it's hard to take such an argument seriously. Even more so when people were tortured and/or killed because they didn't believe in the given church of the country.

 

That is the direction these laws are heading, except that the Supreme Court is likely to find them unconstitutional.

 

So if you see me on the street and I have male characteristics, you will use male pronouns despite the fact that I was born with a vagina and claim to be female (for example's sake)?

 

I've not seen your references either.

 

The vast majority of religious beliefs cannot be factual as there are to many variations not only by other religions but within the actual sects of each religion.
It is statistically unlikely.

Trans people do not dispute their genetics — they dispute their being.
Numerous studies have shown that their brains are more similar to the sex they identify with over their chromosomes
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/05/180524112351.htm

So your assertion that it is all “feeling” may be incorrect — it may be a physical development in the brain.

 

If they do indeed go that far, I too will be behind getting them removed. But they are not there yet.

 

I know of no religious tenet that requires a believer to call anyone anything. You appear to be suggesting that you feel such an obligation.

Do you really feel compelled to examine genitalia and declare gender, rather than accepting a person's self-identity?

Why not just adhere to the Christian principle of loving your neighbor as yourself, and according him the respect you deserve?

 

He did not claim all were. Only all have the same possibility, but we can't prove one over the other at this time. Without proof that one is true and the others false, or parts of each true and the other parts false, the potential for each remains equal.

 

That makes you have a level of compassion that is lacking from many in this thread then, bravo for you.

An issue that you will likely not run into, given the above.
The law in question deals mainly in harassment.

And no one should, there is an absolute difference between this... person... and someone that is just trying to get by without calling attention to themselves, not wanting to be harassed. There are insane people in all population groups — they are not the norm.

 

Individuals that are not ingrained into highly politicized and weaponized beliefs. Detached individuals capable of objectively evaluating matters independently of what a groupthink mentality would dictate. Individuals that are capable of recognizing and acknowledging just how corrupt the human species truly is, and how it exploits its down without hesitation.

And yet it is not the so-called "bullies" who are willing to end their own existence over hearing something they do not wish to hear, or otherwise do not agree with.

Which, once again, demonstrates what they are experiencing is nothing more than a delusion.

In the matter of physical injuries or conditions, it can easily be done. In the matter of highly politicized topics that have not yet been proven in a scientific manner, it is far different.

Thus, once again, confirming what they are suffering from is a delusion brought on by mental illness. Not a valid physical condition.

 

I would never hire a person who thought they were the opposite gender.

 

How is my union sinful?

Regardless as I said before the argument against gay marriage is an economic one. Not religious.

 

So then they have a physical deformity if the brain. That doesn’t make them the other sex. No matter how much they wish it true.

 

And the scientific evidence is pointing to brain development. Yes, scientific evidence overrules your opinion.

You didn’t answer my question but I am secure enough in my viewpoint to answer yours. If someone is distressed over believing they have a handicap when they do not then you are doing no one a favor by correcting them — surely not by harassing them. If they believe they are handicapped and are not they likely have a prevailing mental health issue. As for parking permits, unless someone is infirm or disabled they should not be given access — you have now tried to shift to special rights vs equal treatment.

So you didn’t say “Not everyone can be saved” and that society should “move on” when discussing surgery for obese people?

Again, why does it matter so much — you have been unable to demonstrate why this is such an issue outside of “it is being pushed by the state of California...”

 

Of course I would. But, I can't remember ever mistaking a woman for a man. There's a reason males have male characteristics.

 

No one has ever said they are the other sex, they know this — that is why they have gender affirming surgery and take hormones...

So you are advocating for your “religious freedom” to harass people that have “a physical deformity if[sic] the brain”, do you feel your God will congratulate you on treating his creations in such a manner?

 

I am loving them by stating the truth. The truth may be offensive but it doesn’t change the truth. It’s offensive to point out sinful behavior, does that mean we shouldn’t do it? Jesus did so over and over and over again.

 

No I’m not. As I said in a personal encounter with a trans I wouldn’t go out of my way to insult them. However if I’m not talking to that person then your excuse of making them feel bad doesn’t hold water. And yet you STILL expect us to do speak of them as if they were the other sex with threat of jail time.