Medicare for all???

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  1. RodB

    RodB Well-Known Member Donor

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    Bernie describes his Medicare for all plan as no premiums, no deductibles, no co-insurance, no co-pays and expanded medical coverage. Since Medicare has premiums, deductibles, co-insurance, co-pays, and coverage that is more limited than private insurance, shouldn't he come up with a better demagogic name for his plan?
     
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    Fair point, since structurally it doesn't resemble Medicare at all. But this is about marketing, and the name Medicare probably polls well. Apparently Medicaid for All doesn't sound as good.
     
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    Big insurance and wall street will never allow single payer . And they call the shots.

    Money talks BS walks and what fdr created has been dismantled with help from the corporate dems.

    Too much profit is made by the elites from the private sector insurance

    Recognize reality and what kind of system we have .
     
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    WE PAY FOR MEDICARE EVEN IN RETIREMENT!!!!It has never been free, I have paid into it every week since it began in the 1960's and continue to pay into it every month out of my Social Security check.
     
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    Here in the people's socialist paradise of British Columbia, the government just eliminated all premiums from our universal health care plan.

    Also we have had a carbon tax for over a decade.

    Guess what, strongest economy in all of Canada with lowest unemployment.

    So what's wrong with Bernie's plan? The expense? In the long run it will save money by getting rid of redundancies and eliminating multiple jurisdictions and inefficiencies.
     
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    We have a great system that offers everyone the opportunity to be Big Insurance or an elite from private sector insurance. Anyone willing to put in the work can be anything you envy. Envy doesn't earn anybody anything which is why the envious sit on the sidelines and whine.
     
  7. RodB

    RodB Well-Known Member Donor

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    I do not see the connection, correlation, or cause.

    The expense, the reduction in medical care, the worsening of medical care, and the fact that 3/4 of the public strongly do not want it is what's wrong with Bernie's plan. Medicare for all will be far more costly than today's private insurance and medical care, including the billions that all government run health care plans hide and bury and camouflage. Medicare and Medicare supplement plans are more costly than today's private insurance if you exclude the requirement that all private insurers have to accept all applicants no matter their history and current condition at the same rate, which Medicare today does not have to do and does not do. Do you believe that competitive private health insurance is less redundant and efficient than a massive many-tiered federal bureaucracy? Wanna buy a bridge?
     
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    There is actually no evidence that private, for profit health care is more efficient or cost-effective that public insurance. Much of your statement is exactly the kind of fear-mongering that occurred when Tommy Douglas and the CCF brought publicly funded health care to Saskatchewan in the 60's and eventually to the rest of Canada. In fact there was massive opposition and largely making the same arguments you are making:

    https://www.cbc.ca/history/EPISCONTENTSE1EP15CH2PA4LE.html

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...30/medicare-canada-saskatchewan-doctor-strike

    Why could not America have the type of medical plan that the rest of the developed world takes for granted in one form or another? Yours is among the most expensive and least inefficient in the western world. Cuba has better medical outcomes than the US and it's been under sanctions and embargoes for years.

    And I was just studying polling on universal medical plans for another thread and you have it almost exactly wrong. Around 70% of polled Americans do want some form of universal health care - more for those uninsured.
     
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    Even with our disgustingly expensive healthcare here in America we are still seeing record numbers of hospitals closing up shop and basically going out of business.While many are in rural areas it is also happening to very large hospitals in our cities, we here in Philly have had two large hospitals in the city close within the past twelve months.
     
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    Sorry for the redundancy in that post. I was trying to quote separate sections of the same article and just noticed it didn't work. This is a great example of redundancy in American healthcare that can be eliminated by Universal, user-pay plans such as Sanders is proposing.:love:
     
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    Berniecare would do...

    The country I lived for several years offered all of that, and it was just called Social Security. It worked ok, considering that it was an underdeveloped nation. It's about time we had it here. I'm not a Bernie fan, but even the other candidates know that Bernie's proposal is the only way we will solve helthcare in this country once and for all. He goes at it directly. The rest kinda... circle to it... in a "politically correct" kinda way.
     
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    Unless we reduce the costs, in all aspects of our healthcare, the majority of working Americans will not be able to afford or utilize it.
     
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    The Trump promise of "something terrific!" healthcare that "covers everybody!" at "less cost!" was, apparently, purely aspirational, since millions fewer Americans are now covered, and costs continues to soar.

    I would not take Sanders literally either.

    Nevertheless, what is, by far, the most expensive system on earth that dumps the medical expenses of millions on the taxpayer can benefit from the multiple examples of far more efficient and inclusive systems in advanced nations.
     
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    We have a lot of malcontent anti-Trump Americans here, got room?
     
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    No, we're building a wall and America is going to pay for it:worker:
     
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    There is actually no evidence that public insurance is more efficient or cost-effective than private, for profit health care, all the cacophonic assertions otherwise not withstanding.
     
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    RodB Well-Known Member Donor

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    I'll buy that.

    .... except we do not have a healthcare problem in this country that requires anything close to upsetting the fruit basket for.
     
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    Start with the "INSANITY PLAN" it comes the closest to the inner thoughts of Bernie the tool!
     
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    We can pay for by pooling the $2500 / houshold we saved due to Obama's healthcare plan. Alternatively, we can count the savings of $69B in annual remittances --- money flowing out of the country to support Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvadore. If that isn't enough, we can count the $200B we're not spending annually on illegals in this country.
     
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  21. EarthSky

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    Lol, I don't know what to say to this.

    Boy you guys have a bee in your bonnet about Obama and immigration. If you are just looking to vent, by all means :)
     
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    Lol, cacophonic assertions - cool........:D

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    From those commies at Bloomberg. I tried to quote some of the article but it's behind a paywall.
     
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    There are tons about Obama and immigration to have a bees nest in one's bonnet.
     
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    Yes, what he is suggesting is radically changing Medicare and expanding it to everyone. I think we should modify medicare in a more free market way and expand it to everyone.
     
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    Don't bother quiting all of those government massaged and hidden statistics to me, thank you. Private enterprises are not allowed, under penalty of law, to massage and make up financial stats; governments do it routinely.
     

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