Woman punches man in Broadway bar over MAGA-style birthday hat

WHICH violence.

There IS more than one.

 

In my opinion this thread demonstrates that some SJWs are terrorists. Very many SJWs condone terrorism against those they disagree with. Humans should understand that many SJWs are against our Freedom.

 

1) They mean that they don't allow emotions to rule them, at the expense of decency, maturity, and civility - those states need for true 'caring'. If we indulge our emotions, we indulge ourselves. It NEVER helps others. Helping others requires us to ignore our own emotions, or at the very least control them properly.

2) What in heck does that mean? "Big business" is not a person. Big business is collective enterprise with profit as its goal, and made up of individuals who may or may not master their own emotions. No business is a charity, so it's kinda bizarre that you expect them to behave like one, frankly. Imagine if your family relied upon the modest income from a small farm or similar, and some 'emotional' entity came along and demanded that you start 'caring' at the expense of profit. You'd go broke fairly quickly, and your family might be left homeless and without food, and those two people (who also have families) you gave jobs to will be left unemployed. How is that good? How is that helping?

3) I have no feelings about criminals one way or the other. Mostly it's relief when they're caught and taken off the streets.

 

Physical violence. Isn't what this whole argument is based on?

Say we were all having this discussion in a room and not via a keyboard.

If you got up and started going red in the face and yelling at me I would think "this guy is a screw loose" and I would move well away from you.

BUT if you got up and actually touched me in anger it is you who would be solely responsible for doing that.

Get it?

 

That's not all that this argument is about, for me at least.

I admit, if we were all in a room and not online, this discussion would not be taking place. I am not an idiot. Regardless of how I feel, I am not about to risk my life to display my political feelings. I would be leaving the room post haste. If I could not, I would keep my mouth shut.

Are you saying you would be the exact same in a room as you are on the this board?

Because that's the difference. On this board, there are no physical consequences for your words. But that doesn't mean your words don't have an affect on the person you are speaking too. And demanding that they 'bootstrap up' when they may be feeling that you are attacking them is asinine. And their feelings will still be there when they leave the board and enter the real world.

I can't force people to behave the way they want. I get that. That doesn't stop me from wishing I could. And that doesn't make me a monster.

 

So abide by the dress code that YOU see fit-or the attacks will continue?

Nothing authoritarian about that at all...

 

I would also not argue with SJWs offline. I am also easily intimidated.

As this thread indicated, the majority of SJWs are ready to support terrorism which benefits their political cause. Even though only a small minority are terrorists, the majority of SJWs do support terrorism.

 

I will admit you are confusing me switching back and forth.

I certainly don't feel in any danger from the words written here nor would I fear for my life. From what I have read everyone is just saying that if you assault someone you need to take responsibility for your actions and not blame the victim for triggering you.

If people are so emotionally stunted and dysfunctional that they are violently triggered by the clothing other people wear they need to be taken off the street for the safety of others. Some need jail, some need counselling and some need more strident mental health care. Either way they are a danger to others.

 

Do you mean physical attacks? Then no.

But do you mean verbal or emotional attacks? Then yes.

Because physical violence is what you and everyone else that keeps attacking me states is the ONLY thing that matters.

Too bad, so sad.

 

What is an "emotional attack"?

 

Nobody is saying that physical violence is the only thing that matters BUT you can usually escape from verbal or emotional abuse. It's a little harder to retreat from physical attacks.

 

Taking responsibility (via going to jail) is not the same thing as blaming the other person. That is what I mean.

Not that I would, but I could still take responsibility for my actions by going to jail and still blame the maga hat wearing person for having the gall to prance about in his hat in front of me like he was king of the world. You know?

Logical, no. But human beings are not always logical. Too little or to much emotion always ends up being a bad thing.

And you can't just take them off the streets without violating their rights. They have the RIGHT to hate you and blame you. And to do anything they legally can to express that hate, regardless of how it affects others.

More jail? Unless you are willing to criminalize non-physical actions, it won't happen.

More counselling? Perhaps, but you can't force them to go. And it seems that many people don't want to try to find ways to convince them to.

More strident mental health care? Again, how do you do that without violating their rights?

Do you honestly think that rights are absolute?

 

They do not have the right to touch you in an aggressive manner without consequences, which is the basis of the topic.

 

True. But just because it's easier to escape from the non-physical violence, doesn't make the non-physical violence okay.

It doesn't mean we should ignore it. Or treat it as less important than physical violence.

Because the physical violence my be harder to retreat from, but the damage from the non-physical violence is much greater and long lasting, at least in IMO.

 

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They don't have the right to touch you physically in an aggressive manner, fully agree.

However, I am willing to bet they could hurt you without physically touching you. Nothing is absolute and everyone has their limits.

Day over day, every time you are in public, never relenting. I don't believe anyone would be able to take that forever.

And right now at least, they have the right to try. And you are okay with that. And that is what worries me.

 

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Sorry, but I see the good about them as well as the bad.

I get their concern regarding the bureaucratic corruption of our leaders, and the fact that they don't want one.

I also see their support for someone that is equally corrupt and doing things that many others would consider highly illegal.

I don't hate them for it. But I don't love them either.

Not going to attack them myself, but I may not cry for them if they are attacked by someone else. As for me, I will be keeping quiet in public and not broadcasting my views one way or the other.

 

Bullying, verbal harassment, etc. I am sure there are others.

And here is where you go into the fact that their action may not be direct.

So, let me ask you. Knowing that there are people in public that hate someone else in the public eye, what is the reason that you would support someone enough to parade that support in public. Why not keep your opinions to yourself and just vote?

 

No form of abuse is ok.

Verbal and psychological abuse is definitely not ok either but is found more in domestic situations and deserves another topic because it isn't what the OP is setting out.

 

*Sigh*

You are right in that no form of abuse is okay.

However the political motivation is still connected to the abuse. Why then discuss one and not the other? Why address one and not the other?

Is the whole point of this topic just to bash the woman and praise the man? Because that's just petty.

Any way, maybe I will step back a bit.

Thank you for your time.

 

Because we have something called freedom of expression.

 

How?

 

Okay, but you currently don't have freedom from the consequences of your speech, except in very limited situations.

So no complaining when someone else uses every legal mean to retaliate.

You think your untouchable (other than physically)?

Then I look forward to proving your wrong.

So, maybe in public, be a little more considerate of your fellow human being? Because others may not have my willingness to follow the letter of the law.