Woman punches man in Broadway bar over MAGA-style birthday hat

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  1. FatBack

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    Show me such a concerning post. No, I'm very much, UNlike you. I dont think a person wearing a hat is to blame if some nutty ass fruit loop, assaults them over it. No, I'm not remotely like you, in the slightest.
     
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    So you knowingly choose to violate rules? I'm more interested in how Trump calling politicians "vicious" is REMOTELY like this...“If you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them! And you tell them that they are not welcome, anymore, anywhere,”
     
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    My idea of concerning may not be the same as yours, but that doesn't make my concern any less valid.

    And it's not the hat. It's the political message wearing it in public sends. If you support Trump, you support his actions. And there are many that believe his actions are illegal and immoral.

    And I get why you keep replying. It's because you want to win. You will never admit to it, of course.

    Well, I am not so concerned my public image on an anonymous message board, especially when it comes to people like you.

    So I will admit it. I want to win too! So, you don't get to win this time.

    See, it's not so hard being open and honest with others. And look, another facet of life we are similar in, we both want to win.

    Anyway, going to bed. Have a good evening and all. See you in the morning most likely, though maybe you will prove me wrong .
     
  4. Bush Lawyer

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    One is POTUS, the same bloke who tweets public, blatantly plausibly deniable messages to his own DOJ/AG, and to his cheerleaders, like you. He dog whistles, and there 'you' are.....mindlessly wagging 'your' tail. Orangeman good. The other is a dickhead politician who needs to curb her tongue.
     
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    We get it, you dont care about Maxine whipping up a mob and are flailing to misdirect.
     
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    Many believe the earth is flat. Sweet dreams.
     
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    A valid point, but wasted.

    The response will be that they both should be held to the same standards. Or their apples to oranges thing.

    But they won't reply with their opinion on WHOM gets to decide those standards. And as far as the apples to oranges one, they will apply their selective habit of taking people by their direct word when it benefits them.

    Bleh, it's distasteful. But if that's the way they want to go, we may not have any choice but to fight fire with fire.
     
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    Opinion or beliefs are not facts. Try again.
     
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    Probably need to read this back to yourself. Remember this?

    And there are many that believe his actions are illegal and immoral.
     
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    I thank you for your comments, but I am not part of a 'we.'

    Having said that....The Dems have had as their mantra....'When they go low, we go high.' Nah, that does not work. The only way to fight a gutter dweller and some of his extreme supporters is in the gutter. Trump alone has taken US politics down there. That is where you have to fight him. From down here, I don't see a gutter fighter among the Dems who can defeat the prick, so I am looking forward to another 4.5 years here trashing Trump and 'your' inability to deal with the traitor.
     
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    Just bring a gun if they bring a knife.
     
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    You might want to check out the forum rules for Current events..

    One the article sets the topic of the discussion.

    Two calling someone a troll is an insult and against forum rules..

    For someone justifying assault over a hat you had no issue taking shots at other posters and myself..

    Strange that,.

    I dont assault people over hats call me a saint if you must.
     
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    Are you quite well?
     
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    We're talking about a hat, guy.

    A ****ing HAT. Not even screaming your god's/favourite politician's name in the face of your 'enemy' warrants violent reprisal. There's no reality anywhere outside of North Korea in which the wearing of a hat is problematic.
     
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    Hmm, okay.

    I apologize for my misunderstanding. Your previous posts made it seem to me you leaned more left than right. But perfectly fair enough.

    And yeah, I don't see Democrats uniting enough to beat Trump at the voting booth this November, although I will do my part anyway and hope for the best.

    But I worry a bit about what his second term will look like. Republicans like to say Obama was a demon, and that he did so many bad things. But I just don't see it. I have seen Trumps' misdeeds. They are all over the news. And not just USA news channels, but globally.

    And if the media and the government really ARE as corrupt as Republicans say they are? Then we as a country have NO chance to stop it.

    You can't fight a tidal wave on your own. It would take millions of people working in unison. And the only way that will happen is if things really do get bad enough.

    Anyway, thank you for your time.
     
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    I don't consider myself justifying anything. I just think that everyone should be more considerate of their fellow man.

    Hate me for it if you must.

    And report me if you want. I don't really care. I won't run.
    Your actions may infuriate me, but I'm not some kind of weakling that will report someone based on their words.
    And no, I don't really think you are that kind of person either.

    I don't put people on ignore, and it would take a LOT worse than what is going on now to get me to report anyone.
     
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    So what? We are not responsible for - heck we can't actually know - the emotional responses others might have to the stimuli they encounter in any given situation.

    Believe it or not, I'm actually a believer in conformity, because it's crucial to survival. What I mean by that is that in a collective, you cannot have individual members pleasing themselves. Doing so disrupts the very necessary 100% productivity. That person becomes a weak link in the chain. The point is that it has nothing to do with 'feelings'. It's entirely about practicality and productivity. Just as the wolf pack demands conformity for practical reasons, not for emotional reasons.
     
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    Okay, you may be talking about a hat.

    I AM TALKING ABOUT WHAT WEARING THAT HAT REPRESENTS.

    Or do you think he just bought that hat because he likes red hats and hates Donald Trump or his campaign?

    You can support a campaign just fine without being a jerk about it. I am perfectly okay with going out in public without wearing ANY type of political slogan emblazoned on my clothes. And YES, on a personal basis, I wish others would feel the same.

    Deal with it. I'm not going anywhere.
     
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    Yes, we absolutely should ignore it - BECAUSE WE CAN NEVER KNOW WHAT TRIGGERS RANDOM STRANGERS.

    The only thing we can all be sure of, is that violence is wrong.
     
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    But how can you discard feelings when they play a role in many of the decisions a person makes?

    They aren't wearing that hat because it's just a pretty hat and they need to block the rain from their face, at least IMO.

    Feeling matter. Whether for good or evil, right or wrong. They will never just go away. And they will have some impact on a person's decisions. To just ignore and discount that is dangerous, IMO.
     
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    Which violence is wrong? Only physical violence?

    Because if your answer is yes, then you will have to deal with it when someone decides to attack you with an endless onslaught of non-physical violence, such as bullying.

    And you won't legally just be able to pull out your gun and shoot them.

    And it's only going to get worse, since you don't want to try and mitigate it either.
     
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    1) Those are almost always personal issues, and much of it against the law. Nothing to do with this thread, either way.

    2) What difference does any of that make? You cannot assume anything about the motives of random strangers. Even if you were loosely correct about their motivations ... what in heck do their issues have to do with you?
     
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    1) They are not discarded, they are MANAGED. Maturity means learning to marshall our emotions, lest we become raging narcissists who lose sight of the fundamentals of survival.

    2) Who cares WHY someone wears a hat? What on earth are you doing, walking around questioning the motives of peoples fashion choices beyond "what was she thinking?"

    3) No one ignores emotions .. but some choose to put them to work, while others indulge them. The difference in outcomes is marked. The first allows for genuine compassion, the latter for narcissism.
     
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    1. Bullying against the law? Not really, although it should be. It does real, long-lasting damage that forever changes a person. Harassment may be against the law, but it's difficult to enforce and it's not like laws stop people from committing crimes.

    Slippery slope is not a reason to not enact change. If we do nothing, things will only get worse.

    2. You can't assume anything about the motives of strangers?! Seriously? Of course I can, everyone can. Is it a good idea? Not always, but sometimes it is. If I see someone with cut up, loose saggy clothing, covered in tattoos and glaring at everything around them, I am going to avoid that person like the plague. That appearance screams 'Dangerous' to me.

    Now, just in case you are going to try and revert to the one INDIVIDUAL incident instead of trying to have a meaningful discussion about the broader topic that the incident is a part of. NO, the hat doesn't have any strong affect on me. I may think the hat wearing person is a stupid idiot. But the hat on it's own doesn't bother me. But I am not everyone, as the woman whom attacked him has shown.

    Now, the fact it was not actually a maga hat does have mitigating factors for me I had not known about when this thread began. There IS a difference between a plain red cap and a maga cap. The woman should have been more careful about her actions and made certain of what the cap was before deciding if it was worth it for her to do what she did.

    But, having seen all the posts from the ardent Trump supporters on this board. I will say this. I consider Trump supporters dangerous. And although I am not maladjusted enough to go attacking one in public, I will very wary and careful around them in public spaces. I won't trust them.

    And that doesn't make me a bad person either. If you want to only punish a person's actions, then fine.

    That means you don't get to punish me by calling or treating me like a monster for my beliefs.
     
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    People can wear a hat for any of many reasons. If you see a MAGA and just ASSUME the person wearing it is trying to goad you, it sounds like a personal problem. Deal with that.
     

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