Pakistani court allows marriage of kidnapped Christian girl because she had first period

Atheism is a religion therefore anything coming out of it cannot be secularist.

 

@Bowerbird is making an important distinction between child marriage being recognised by the state and not being recognised by the state. Just because child marriage happens in Australia, doesn't mean it's recognised by the state.

 

Do you know what law is broken?

 

The problem here is not her age, it's that she is a Christian, and was kidnapped by a Muslim man and is forced to marry him whether she wants to or not. Kidnapping Christian girls is a means of conversion in Islamic countries. Most times the parents can't even see their daughter and are simply told she eloped with the man and decided to become a Muslim..

 

Booze, drunkenness, public display of nudity/sex, and pornography are forbidden by law in Pakistan. They are both rampant & legal in the west. In the U.S. you've got mass murderers running free shooting people dead on freeways, in churches, post offices, kindergartens, primary schools, junior high schools, high schools, colleges, universities, shopping malls, and drive-bys. You have murder for money, murder for insurance, murder for custody of children. You've got sadists who kidnap children by the dozen and keep them as sex slaves for decades. So, whose eyes are the west using to judge the world and what do you think the people of Pakistan are saying about the wealthy and influential in the west who get away with committing crimes such as lying about WMD's, invading an innocent nation, torturing and killing a million blameless men, women, and children ...... hmmmm? Any "yeah but" thoughts on that?

 

I disagree. The problem is all of those things.

I know. I understand. It is as disgusting as American Catholic priests who have been molesting and raping small boys and girls and have been getting away with it because the church operates with above the law impunity.

 

actually, you put up two posts in a row using that logical strategy ... I think we can all see how well it works. *snark*

 

So, you have nothing of substance to contribute?

 

What I mean is, the fact that the girl is Christian is irrelevant to me posting this story.

 

Yeah - try telling that to the left.

 

Actually, he didn't say "rape." "Do what you want with them" doesn't mean against their will.

 

I agree. The difference is when it is against the child's will, which would really be every single child who has no idea about the concept of marriage and wants to keep living with mum and dad. Slightly less terrible than kidnapping and marrying the kid, is child marriage with parental consent, with the marriage clearly being initiated by the FREAK cult member parents.

I'm sure that @Bowerbird would see the difference. I think that she is just afraid of critisising other cultures because of her 'wokeness.' She certainly hasn't done so yet in this thread, so what am I suppose to think. She is of course perfectly happy to SLAM the West into next century.

 

How is it needed strategically?

 

Yeah, Islam is one of the "faiths other than Christianity" that I'm talking about.

 

Again, I don't know why you think that Trump supporters have dictated the culture in this way, so that now even Trump haters think that lying and other bad behaviour is okay.

 

So all cultures are the same?

 

Because bad behaviour is infectious

Just spend some time on an unmoderated forum

 

I dont know how you are bringinging up cult...

Pakistanis laws delegate:
Christians have less rights because of their faith.
Women/ girls can be kidnapped and forced into marriage and conversion.

The few US states that allow marriage below 18 base it on the view that a person--male and female-- has the ability to make a free choice.

Clear 100% difference. And to say we are "no better " then Pakistani law is crazy.

 

Yes that's why alcohol and pornography (and sexual affairs) are widely consumed behind closed doors in Pakistan - at least by those rich enough to afford them.

So the Peshawar attack never happened and 140 students never died? More than 1000 Pakistani's weren't killed in 2017 in terrorist attacks? And of course you don't have a problem with domestic abuse in Pakistan because that's not officially a crime there is it? Nor is there the least problem with little things like drug trafficking, money laundering, extortion, black marketeering, political violence, or abduction.

And obviously they were mistaken about the child pornography ring broken up in Kasur, they were all just amateur photographers and there weren't 4000 cases of child abuse reported to the authorities last year? (Believed to be only the tip of iceberg by local experts BTW.)

I think the people of Pakistan are more worried about the wealthy and influential citizens of Pakistan robbing, the country blind (and getting away with it) than they are about the rich of the West. I think they are more worried about their children's safety from their fellow citizens than they are about some distant European doing them harm.

In short I think you talking out of your arse.

 

No

Sorry but you are wrong..............again

The modern insistence for 18 as being the minimum age for marriage is based on research

Some relating to teen pregnancy

https://www.researchgate.net/profil...ba4e924c000000/An-Update-on-Teenage-Pregnancy
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1748-0361.2005.tb00092.x
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0277953617303283
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1010539513503868
https://s3.amazonaws.com/academia.e...01ad1be5fbba3ff7509df03c622679791b53a3f55dd5c
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1054139X13000773

 

As in, in the context of child marriage in the US, by non-Muslims.

Well it's not their choice is it. It's their parent's choice. They have to give consent.

 

Yes.

I agree.

No.

And so should Westerners be ...
"more worried about the wealthy and influential citizens of the west robbing, the country blind (and getting away with it) than they are about the corrupt of the Middle/Near East. They should be more worried about their children's safety from their fellow citizens than they are about some distant Asian and ME doing them harm".
You didn't get that from my contributions to this thread? Did you not actually read what it is that I wrote?

Both of us - you and me?

 

Pakistan has allowed us to use their airspace to attack the Taliban. Also the port of Gwadar should not be used as a base for the Chinese Navy. China has now given billions to Pakistan and have taken over the management of the port facilities. A Chinese navy base that close to the straight of hormuz is not in the best interests of the eu allies and of India, which is the largest democracy in Asia.

 

Now I'll play the Devil's Advocate, (and I'm not Catholic):

Actually the priests have not been molesting small boys and girls, that's a fallacy. What happened is that some priests who were morally weak, took advantage of boys at a vulnerable age. These were individual offenses, and the percentage was no greater than what occurs in the secular world or in other denominations. If those percentages are high today in the West, it has to do with our sick society that seems to affect everything and everyone.

The outrage was that the offenses were being covered up by the superiors of the Church, but there are reasons for that. If the offending priest repented then he must be forgiven, since the Church can't judge him only God can.

There's another reason though that's more important, and that is the priest might have been falsely accused. I know that the first accusation in the Church was towards the Cardinal in Chicago, and it was retracted later on by the boy.

There is nothing so painful to those who strive for virtue and who pride themselves in it to be calumniated. Almost every glorified Saint, whether it's in the RC or the Orthodox Church has been falsely accused at some time in their lives - and they suffered dearly because of it.

Someone once asked a theologian why God allows them to be attacked this way, and he said; 'it is to lessen their pride'. Pride is the antithesis of Christianity. The greater the humility, the closer one is to God.

 

Cultures are not the same, and no one should perceive that their own is better. That's self love and arrogance, something that has infected the West since who know when. What I do believe is that Christian beliefs are superior as well as it's laws, and those laws have been adapted throughout the world in one way or another.