The Berniephobes are wrong

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  1. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

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    And we still have it. It goes to show how nothing in government every dies.
     
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    Obama is very pro crony capitalism. ;-)
     
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    nope, we'll just follow the dems lead and blockade his every move, get our conservative judges to impose 'stays' on his every EO, sue him for every word uttered, boycott every business owned by a democrat...

    by we, i mean repubs & most dems, whom are against socialism...
     
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    Not sure what you mean..
     
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    Bernie will never get elected. This is his last rodeo. He's discovered that he can enrich himself and his family by running failed political campaigns. Aside from winning the lottery running for POTUS and losing is probably the quickest way to get rich in the USA. He's made literally millions of dollars in a few short years by preaching his socialist drivel to the 15-20% of hardcore left wing democrats who buy into it. Nothing he is proposing stands an ice cube's chance in an oven of being implemented in real life - but it keeps the donations coming into the bank.
     
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    Because he wasnt lol. He bailed out more big businesses than homeowners
    Which is still not socialism.
     
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    Lol you guys start your own lead without needing precedence.
     
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    I put into bold


    you are absolutely, 100% spot on
     
  9. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

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    Bailing out a big business is not pro business. It is pro government. government has no appropriate role in bailing out anything.
     
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    One Mind Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Govt policy the change disemboweled America by that giant sucking sound perot warned us about.

    It took the GOP coming back into power and dismantling the fdr capitalism with the help of the dems to disembowel America and create the war against working americans

    Our capitalism once served all people until it was changed to mostly benefit our elites . Hard to deny this without lying to do it
     
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    Crony capitalism has become a hall mark of socialism. Surely you have noticed.
    Is Xi a Socialist? ;-)
     
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    One Mind Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The same was said about fdr.

    Truth is when capitalism no longer serves the working people some one steps in and saves capitalism so real deal socialism does not win out.

    Capitalism can create a big middle class as it did after the crash and great depression by reforming capitalism .Or capitalism can create the America the neoliberals in both parties gave us using the scheme of globalism that disemboweled America to max out the income of a few at the top . Perot tried to warn us because he saw the obvious nature of this scheme cooked up by the big banks and GOP.

    It is so clear and obvious what changed our capitalism as I watched it happen over decades. Any village idiot could have predicted the outcome of changing capitalusm to only benefit the top . When fdr was changing it into something that served even working people he was almost taken down by a group of rich elites including big bankers who even called themselves fascists . Oligarchs . Where their best self interests was good for all people.

    Gen Butler being a patriot busted these bastards out to congress and ended the planned coup .

    These are the kind of men who gave us globalism. But it also took both parties to do it. You can thank bill Clinton for changing the party that helped the GOP .
     
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    Americans will only turn to socialism if they're desperate and it's just your sort economic and social policies that will create what you most fear.
     
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    Please don't use that word "progressive" to define the liberal Left.
    I have seen the collapse of marriage, the disappearance of children,
    the rise of anti-life philosophies, narcism, nihilism, the relative
    decline in education standards, the flight of industry, the death of
    religion, transactional sex as entertainment/life style/profit and many
    of the things listed below in my profile.
    IT'S NOT PROGRESSIVE AT ALL.
     
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    That is why the right was so wrong about Obama as they knee jerked into calling him a socialist or commie !

    Like the left knee jerks into racist and every kind of phobia they can think up .

    Obama maintained the rule of of the elites who own the big banks and mncs and who finance the campaigns for our rich politicians. Between the rich elites and rich politicians we are truly ruled by the rich. The rich rule over the poor and as Princeton proved has no intention of representing the non elites

    And if you question this fact the right wing common man has been trained to call you a dirty commie! Lol

    Man what a racket! It is damn near perfect !
     
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    Women barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen is "progressive"?

    Gays in the closet out of fear of being beaten up by rightwing thugs is "progressive"?

    Blacks and other minorities DENIED civil rights is "progressive"?

    FORCING children to pray in schools is "progressive"?

    The GOP betraying hardworking Americans by outsourcing their jobs to 3rd world nations is "progressive"?

    Religious zealots preventing gays to marry the consenting adult of their choice is "progressive"?

    Your criminal IMPOTUS abducting small children from their Asylum seeking parents is "progressive"?

    Your orange Narcissist-in-Chief is "progressive"?

    The correct term to describe what the extreme right is doing is REGRESSIVE.
     
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    Once it was common for women to be bare footed and pregnant. The introduction of
    cheap left/right footwear had nothing to do with politics, nor did the contraceptive pill.
    But these women kept their society going.

    It's interesting that if you had 90% Christians and 10% Muslims - and Christians have
    1.8 children per couple and Muslims have 3.5 (I believe is the case in some countries)
    then the number of grandchildren will be equal - that's two generations. In the blink of
    an historic eye your nation is Islamic. And there's no more "liberals." I see in Europe
    particularly a sense of paralysis that you can not only stop this process, not only say
    anything about it but people even self-censure themselves. Islam and demographics
    is something you aren't even allowed to think about. That's cultural defeat.
    And you, as an Anglophile Protestant for instance, might find your child praying in
    school - for Allah. Or else.
     
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    There is not a dime's worth of difference between Sharia Law and the zealotry of extremist evangelical Christians.
     
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    So you won't mind when Islam arrives.
     
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    I would prefer that ALL religions were regulated like tobacco and alcohol and that exposing religion to minors carried heavy fines and long jail terms.
     
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    You desire too much control over other people to suit personal preference.

    There is a growing authortarianism with the modern leftist ideology.

    Cant call this liberalism in any real sense .

    We didnt have to be concerned with such control from the left traditionally but only from the fringe right. Now we must watch out for both fringe thinking for in principle they became similar in this need to dictate and control others to their personal preference. What varies is their personal preference
     
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    So children should be allowed to smoke tobacco and drink alcohol in your "anti- authoritarian" regressive utopia? :eek:

    Sad!
     
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    So....you are saying: because Sanders failed to install democratic socialism into the US before now, you won't vote for him, now that you have the chance?

    Hint: the reason why a democratic socialist is getting a look-in now, is the ever increasing inequality in the US, following the failed neoliberal "trickle down" dogma starting with the Reagan years.

    Here are the stats re neoliberalism, since Reagan.

    The greatest inequality since before the Great Depression(google)

    3 americans have as much wealth as the bottom 50% (google)

    60% of Americans can't find $1000 from savings in an emergency (google)

    half a million are homeless (google)

    poverty rate 14%, ie 42 million living in poverty (google)

    The top 20% of Americans own 90% of total household wealth, the bottom 20% have negative net worth ie they owe $6000 on average (google) ….just for being born...so much for the reward for effort dogma.

    As for Shapiro, he wouldn't know 'morality' if he fell over it, if he considers the current state of the economy doesn't need reordering:
     
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    Education should be the way forward to deal with mutually exclusive religions, and to seek the truth within each of them.

    Only problem: Conservative RW 'Christians', as with fundamentalists from other faiths, will prevent comparison of religions in public schools which might show that ALL religious scripture is the word of man, not the Word of God.
     
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    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    Yes, that's the Communist way... and no thanks.
     
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