Weather station in Antarctica records high of 65, the continent's hottest temperature ever

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  1. drluggit

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    Always nice to see the speed at which you can glean content from others and paste it dutifully. Quite the demonstration really. But it still doesn't get at the fundamental assertion, or it's problems now does it. You assert that you can demonstrate that the entirety of actual "forcing" is attributable to only man made CO2 production, and yet, not even the proponents of the study that you cite would declare that, and haven't. The issue, again, is that there is an underlying assumption being made that you continue to repeat which is that the acceleration of natural CO2 production isn't having any effect on the forcing that you've tied yourself to. It simply doesn't work this way. I doubt any amount of conversation will persuade you of this, it's not in the nature of what zealots are able.
    So, you take a measurement that starts in 1900, assume that it means something, and use it as a demonstration that the average global temp (something that even you now think doesn't matter) is rising. And as a side argument you're now claiming that there is a "range" or potential temperatures that are "optimal" although you still haven't even provided what that should be. Oh wait, you're now claiming that it should be 57.2F. ok. why? I know, hard questions. And then, again, you assert that man is then responsible for 100% of this warming, and cite that even though the best scientific evidence is that man might be responsible for ~.009F or this warming, that this isn't the case, and that you're certain that it is actually all of the observed warming, and that is 1C which is now roughly 7% of the observed temperature. I doubt even your second grade math teacher would try to give you credit for the massacre of number soup you've just delivered.

    But, it's fun to read, and informative about the rudimentary and sophomoric faith based messaging that exudes from your faithful. I don't suppose you're simply breathless because you're in fact riding your in home stationary bike generating the electricity that you're consuming using the internet gateway, and assume as well that the cost of the grid that supports your ability to interact with the actual net never occurs to you, nor the enormous amount of personal hubris it must take to waste this energy that creates the very warming that you fear if we believe your version..... It sounds endlessly tormenting for you....
     
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    BestViewedWithCable Well-Known Member

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    No, Photons are electrons travelling at the speed of light.

    The sun is made of plasma. Thats atoms stripped of their electrons.
    Solar flares are made of protons.
    1 proton is a hydrogen atom, electrons are ubiquitous
     
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    Which is why we differentiate them with language so one can understand those differences... So, when someone says meteor, they aren't referring to asteroidal and planetary impacts, are they?
     
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    You need to take physics again.

    Protons have a positive charge - electrons a negative charge.
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    The Sun is a huge, glowing sphere of hot gas. Most of this gas is hydrogen (about 70%) and helium (about 28%). Carbon, nitrogen and oxygen make up 1.5% and the other 0.5% is made up of small amounts of many other elements such as neon, iron, silicon, magnesium and sulfur.
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    But you are getting closer to your northern lights.

    A solar flare occurs when magnetic energy that has built up in the solar atmosphere is suddenly released. Radiation is emitted across virtually the entire electromagnetic spectrum, from radio waves at the long wavelength end, through optical emission to x-rays and gamma rays at the short wavelength end.
     
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    um.... well, this isn't actually accurate. The predicate behind fuel cells is actually the creation of water, meaning that water is in fact created and the energy released to create energy for motion... But ok...
     
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    I always knew that hot Delta sunshine during the dog days put real weight on your back.
     
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    You repeatedly and explicitly mis-characterize both my position and the basic argument when you say things like "there is an underlying assumption being made that you continue to repeat which is that the acceleration of natural CO2 production isn't having any effect on the forcing that you've tied yourself to," and "Oh wait, you're not claiming that [the optimal temperature] should be 57.2F. There is zero evidence that natural CO2 production is accelerating and I never said or implied that there is an optimal temperature.

    At this point, I am just going to suggest that you take your message to someone that will definitely listen to you - like every single recognized group of national or international scientist on the planet because there are ZERO which maintain a dissenting opinion on the basic tenets of AGW.
     
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    So you were actually giving an English lesson, not discussing the thread?
     
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    No, I dont need to take physics again.

    We're not even talking about physics.

    The mass from every atom comes from the nucleus, from its protons, and/or neutrons. Electrons weigh almost nothing.

    Solar flares strongly influence the local space weather in the vicinity of the Earth. They can produce streams of highly energetic particles in the solar wind or stellar wind, known as a solar proton event

    A solar particle event or solar proton event (SPE), or prompt proton event, occurs when particles (mostly protons) emitted by the Sun become accelerated either close to the Sun during a flare or in interplanetary space by coronal mass ejection shocks. The events can include other nuclei such as helium ions and HZE ions
     
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    So, demonstrably, your statement is factually incorrect. Natural CO2 emissions are both on the rise, and accelerating. Several studies have demonstrated this, why you couldn't find them rapidly on google is anyone's guess. But sure.

    Second, if there isn't an "optimal temperature" then why ever worry about whether the temps rise, or fall? You cannot demonstrate any actual impact if there isn't a point at which you have determined was either optimal, or non optimal. Without either of those, your commentary is meaningless, has no useful impact, and as a policy consideration is doomed. You know that you cannot actually ascribe a value, so you equivocate, and by doing so, you ceed the point that there actually isn't one. So, your assertion then lacks any actual impact. IE, there are no tangible harms to your worry.

    As for the hose of organizations who derive their livelihoods from the faith, who can blame them? There is money, they want to get some, they aren't any different from any other parasitic organization using government to fund their follies..
     
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    You have thusly been schooled. Free of charge. What a great country...
     
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    Link the bolded then.

    Also, I worry about the temperatures rising and falling because even though there is no such thing as an "optimal temperature," there are temperature ranges during which the currently living plants and animals evolved and learned to thrive. If you make significant deviations from those temperature ranges, especially at rates which are roughly 75x faster than the natural rate, then those currently existing plants and animals (including humans) will suffer harm.

    None of those organizations, like NASA or NOAA or the NSF, derive their livelihoods from endorsing AGW.
     
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    *******n, are you still trying to argue that the Sun creates Water on Earth?
     
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    Its because it does.

    It happens around every star.



     
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    Jeeze... it's like you want everyone else to do the work for you.. but ok.. here's just one.
    https://www.vox.com/energy-and-envi...45/permafrost-melting-arctic-report-card-noaa

    Notice, that as man hasn't taken a hair dryer to the region, it is pretty hard to ascribe this condition to a man made condition.

    I noticed that you've taken the side car again and cited yet another unsupportable number which is this idea that temps are moving at a velocity that is ascribable to man made process. Again, unsupportable, nor empirically correct, and frankly the speed at which the climate might change is always a condition that the ecosystems will have to both tolerate and adapt to.

    I would direct your attention to the budges of NASA/NOAA et al, and their ongoing insatiable consumption of US Gov funding for their pet climate projects which last we looked as around 9B US. And while not all of their funding, a healthy percentage of them. Try again.
     
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    Does he realize that it is Summer in Antarctica right now?
     
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    LOL... or more importantly, Argentina.. but details... right?
     
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    No, I'm directly answering your question.

    RQAA.
     
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    You haven't made any water yet. But your sure digging.
     
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    Only difference is size.
     
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    You are answering by dodging with an acronym.
     
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    Do you agree that AGW violates the Laws of Thermodynamics?
     
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    Great.

    [2] The Earth's surface, having now been warmed (see #1), cools off, not only by conduction, but also by radiance (emitting photons from the surface, which takes energy to do).

    [3] Those photons are NOT of the same frequency (but within a specific range of frequencies) and CO2 can only absorb some of those frequencies.
     

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