Medicare for all???

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  1. Distraff

    Distraff Well-Known Member

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    How is that a problem?
     
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    If it comes out of your pocket, no problem, but if you want the taxpayer (ie the government) to pay for your health care, then you would have to pick the public option. What part of this is not clear?
     
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    Forcing people who take taxpayer money to choose a public opinion is one way to achieve universal healthcare. Another option, is that if they do choose private insurance, maybe because they have a special health condition that the public option doesn't cover, they be given a smaller subsidy to use to pay for private insurance.
     
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    The big question is from where is the source of funding, I guess from the taxpayers to where it is also applied.
     
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    I was referring to the fact that Medicare reimbursement is closer to private insurance while Medicaid is much lower.

    I don’t know what this has to do with anything.
     
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    MEDICARE FOR ALL
    Is It FREE MEDICAL CARE

    Or like Real MediCare today.
    Full of doughnut holes whereby you may loose your home
    and all your assets for a bypass procedure
    but the medical institution gets theirs.


    The separate required MediCare Drug Plans are rip offs.
    The insurance price is no longer a "preferred provider price"
    It is a surcharge on the GoodRx.com price.


    So what is MediCare and MediCare For All
    Just a different scheme to rip me off as occurs today?
    BTW remember, investors reap profits, not health care providers.



    Please type slowly for me and explain why I pay some 4K/year
    for a Plan F that fills all the doughnut holes and required by
    law to purchase a drug plan whose formulary is restricted
    and Price List way above GoodRx.Com



    MediCare as ObamaCare just protects the Medical Care investors
    at the costs of deceitful coverage while financing the costs of
    absolute welfare cases against the working poor and not the
    General Tax Fund.


    Large Font for the ole Folks Vision.
    Likewise, please reply with larger font and type slowly.



    Moi :oldman:
     
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    That's not where a Medicare for all plan it will be a government takeover.
     
  8. Bluesguy

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    Not that they didn't try but because of the failure of the government had to start allowing the elite to purchase private insurance and are moving to more privitization.
     
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    Yes, all from the taxpayer. Though he did say he would reduce the cost in part by reducing payments to doctors and hospital from the meager reimbursement Medicare now pays. This raises the question how are we to get medical treatment under Berniecare if there are no doctors????
     
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    Bernie just needs to say Medicare for All is the goal and it will take 20 years to achieve it. We can start by lowering the eligibility age to 60, then 55 and so on. At the same time, work on costs within the Medicare system and begin investing in more clinics and GPs. As for the uninsured, a public option heavily subsidized (Medicare for the restofus) can be given to anyone and everyone. There are plenty of examples all across the world on how to move towards a universal system. Study them and lets get this over with in one generation.
     
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    Medicare for all will certainly see a lot more government in the insurance world, but the healthcare providers themselves will remain private. It also depends on how you implement Medicare for all. It can also be implemented in a way where supplemental private insurance is often required, like of like how Medicare works today. Also, its unlikely that Bernie's plan will be implemented, and a big compromise will need to be made.
     
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    And I am fine with private insurance having a role in healthcare, especially for the rich who can afford it. Like of like how public schools are certainly a great thing, but its ok to have private and charter schools too.
     
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    It won't be Medicare, it will be a government run system for everyone, it will rely on everyone enrolling and will change it for those already enrolled. And seniors will not stand for it.
     
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    Finnish Government Collapses Due to Rising Cost of Universal Health Care

    The government of Finland collapsed Friday due to the rising cost of universal health care and the prime minister's failure to enact reforms to the system....

    ....Reuters reports that soaring treatment costs and longer life spans have particularly affected Nordic countries.

    "Nordic countries, where comprehensive welfare is the cornerstone of the social model, have been among the most affected," according to Reuters. "But reform has been controversial and, in Finland, plans to cut costs and boost efficiency have stalled for years."

    Similar problems are bedeviling Sweden and Denmark, two other countries frequently held up as models to follow on health care. Finland's crisis in particular comes as calls for universal health care have grown louder among Democrats in the United States."
    https://freebeacon.com/politics/fin...VKnVq-NJnDlwgKYIwoW7KSi7OYdgY8_GaCoB0YVwE8jZs
     
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    Medicare is already government-run on the insurance side. Medicare for all is just Medicare that covers way more and covers everyone. Seniors would absolutely love Bernie's medicare for all, because currently Medicare coverage is limited and they have to pay premiums to use Medicare. Sander's plan is completely free for them and covers everything.
     
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    And Medicare will have to be totally changed in order to do so it will no longer be Medicare so call it something else. I've paid Medicare all my life and now I am on it. Don't screw me over for some universal healthcare that will not be able to provide the coverage that paying for all my working life I now have. Look at those countries the left so loudly points to and how it is failing there.
     
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    Are you aware that about 75% are totally or mostly satisfied with their private health insurance, down somewhat since the ACA went into effect some 8 or 9 years ago? 75% includes a helluva lot more than "the rich."
     
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    Why do you put seniors in the "if it's free from the government it has to be great" crowd????
     
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    Under Bernie's plan (which I don't really support), your Medicare coverage will be dramatically expanded. You will pay no premiums and out of pocket. Everything will be covered. Bernie also wants to increase your social security benefits (which I also don't support). Bernie just wants to shower you with free stuff. How can you think he will "screw you over?"
     
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    Actually it is more like 71%, and I really do think the uninsured should be included in this poll since they are losing from not having private insurance. Americans don't like the affordability of our healthcare from a 60% - 37% margin. Countries with universal healthcare tends to get higher marks for their healthcare than the US does.
    https://news.gallup.com/poll/122393/oecd-countries-universal-healthcare-gets-high-marks.aspx
    https://news.gallup.com/poll/4708/healthcare-system.aspx
     
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    I'm not expecting all seniors to like their improved healthcare coverage. I am just pointing out that this idea that Medicare for all will screw seniors is an utter lie.
     
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    And we have to buy private insurance to fill the gap in coverage.
     
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    If he wants a single payer government system he needs to make it simple.

    Hospitals bill the government and that's it.
     
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    Why would our wonderful public option not cover it?
     
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    While I’m not for govt run single payer...why do you think there would be no doctors if we went that route? Do you believe all of the countries that have govt run single payer have no doctors?
     

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