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What? That he is leading a crusade to convert Muslims to Christianity?

Uh no, there is not.

 

I would not want to be beheaded on a video for my family to watch by the taken and posted by the leadership of one of those scummy terrorist groups.

 

Because Israel wants the US to be there and oppress and occupy them brown muslims.

 

The worse the Christians can do is start proselytizing and bore you to death. Did you know that proselytizing in Russia is against the law, whether it's Christian proselytizing or homosexual proselytizing with gay parades etc. At least it keeps the Muslims happy, if not the Pentacostals, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Mormons.

 

I would hope not, I would not want to be burned as a witch either.... I do not support violent religious fanatics regardless of their religion

 

Bush did tell Americans it was a Crusade, it's on video

"'Crusade' Reference Reinforces Fears War on Terrorism Is Against Muslims"

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB1001020294332922160

Bush also used Jesus rifles in the war, attached religious quotes to war briefings

"Donald Rumsfeld's holy war: How President Bush's Iraq briefings came with quotes from the Bible"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...t-Bushs-Iraq-briefings-came-quotes-Bible.html

"U.S. Military Weapons Inscribed With Secret 'Jesus' Bible Codes"

https://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/us-m...bed-secret-jesus-bible-codes/story?id=9575794

 

Bush did say Crusade, but he didn't mean it in that context - although that's how the Muslims took it. A lot of embedded memories there. But the Muslims aren't the only ones. The Greeks feel the same way about the sacking of Constantinople in the 4th Crusade.

 

exactly, when going to war with an enemy that is Muslim, you don't want to make it seem like you're going to war with all Muslims, we need good Muslims to help us fight the bad one

 

Their feelings about 800+ year old events have no bearing on today. It's a excuse and justification for their terror war against the West and nothing more.

And Greeks And Byzantines did not do not use Constantinople as justification for acts of terror in the 20th and 21st century, so yes the Muslims are the only ones.

 

Conjecture that is what Bush wanted

And nothing and I mean nothing to show that he tried that.

Also you do remember that the Coalition that defeated Iraq had Muslims countries in it correct?

Still waiting to hear how the invasion of Kuwait fits into your narrative. Since you can not squeeze it in there I guess I wont though huh?

 

First link is behind a paywall so could not read it.

Second link : Prayer and scripture has been part of every U.S. war, i.e. the chaplains embedded in the military. I would say it's been part of every war in history. Why would the CiC not be able to practice his faith daily? Is he not to do so during war time as he might offend the enemy? Chapels on every base and ship in the Armed Services, always have been. I sill have my USMC bible from boot camp. Pledge of Allegiance, In God We Trust on our most common govt document. Why on Earth does a mention of the Christian faith by a American President or commander indicate a holy way? May "Whoever" Bless America is not going to work.

Third Link: Trijicon has that on all their gear. I own some. They are a huge makers of optics for the civilian market. They did not embed secret religious codes onto military gear, it's always been on their gear. When they produced for the military it was on the gear they produced. A violation of policy, but hardly a weapon of a holy war. They make great gear BTW.

This is a call to Crusade:

"I, or rather the Lord, beseech you as Christ's heralds to publish this everywhere and to persuade all people of whatever rank, foot-soldiers and knights, poor and rich, to carry aid promptly to those Christians and to destroy that vile race from the lands of our friends. I say this to those who are present, it is meant also for those who are absent. Moreover, Christ commands it"

Show me anything close to that by President Bush, at all close to it...

Now are you going to address the invasion of Kuwait? If not then we are done as I am tired of your dancing around the very cause of the Iraq issue.

 

I already did, go back and read and yes... Bush jr called it a Crusade

 

Where did you address Kuwait? What post #?

He called it a crusade. That a commonly used word when speaking about a great endeavor. It was not a call to holy war. If some uptight Muslims felt that way over a 800+ year old grudge tough. I almost feel like I have to remind you that America has never been on a Holy Crusade to the Middle East, kind of hard since we were not even a country when the Crusades occurred.

 

I don't think the Churches burned the witches, I think they condemned them and then they were burned by the civil authorities. The question of course is, were they witches or were they innocent women? A case in point would be Saint Joan of Arc. She didn't pick up arms herself, but led the French army to victory - so of course to the English she had to be a witch. But then again she wasn't the first Saint to be burned, hundreds were during the first few centuries of Christianity.

The only reason I'm discussing this is because I know witches, and they are very vindictive or they wouldn't delve in witchcraft. Believe me, spells and hexes are real, and they stem from the jealousy, hatred and malice in a person's heart. Anyway these are spiritual matters that you wouldn't understand.

As for Salem, I read once that the witchcraft was brought in by a Creole from New Orleans. She somehow enticed the girls and it caused mayhem in the town with each one accusing their accuser of being a witch. In Europe it was much, much worse, and thousands were burned.

 

that was not what I was referring too, I never mentioned Kuwait or said anything about it

 

they were burned by Christians.. or drowned

that is known history

there are Christians and Muslims that are vindictive too and have jealousy, hatred and malice as well

what happened in Salem was wrong... most agree with that now

because someone thinks bad thoughts about someone, doesn't mean they should be burned at the stake - do you think Christians never think bad things about infidels

 

So are you going to address it?

 

Given that it's inevitable, pick one. It's not that complicated.

 

WTH are we on about now?

Witches in Salem? The Middle Ages?

Burning people at the stake? Centuries ago?

 

I'm not talking about bad thoughts, I'm talking about spells and hexes that can even hurt or kill someone's child or husband. But as I said, these are spiritual matters, and Christians are supposed to pray for people's souls not burn them at the stake.

 

I do not believe in spells or hex's

Should this person be arrested for praying to torrential rains on Obama speech which of course never happened, but then rained on the republicans - lol



I say believe as one wants, just don't hurt others cause they do not beleive the same

 

yep, Christians and Muslims have had many bad periods in history

Hitler was a the latest and what Christians did to the Jews, now Muslims are the threat to Jews - Christians wanted them there to fulfill a prophecy, they did not want them to come here - if they ever fulfill the prophesy, it will be a mistake as the fanatics will stop supporting them

the point is both sides religious fanatics are bad... trying to deny that is just ignoring history

that said, most modern day Christians and Muslims are good people - it's the fanatics that are bad, regardless of faith

 

There are two ways of looking at things. The stupid way; 'look at how terrible Christianity is'. And the not so stupid way; 'Wow, look at how long it's taking Christianity to civilize people?'

Now we're digressing:

Darkness reigns without the light,
with souls a-wandering in the night,
of pagan lusts, barbarity,
of malice, harm and cruelty.

We pray that there will be a day
when evil such, will slide away
and man finds that he's free once more
with hatred's gone and also war.

Yeah right!- Jeannette​

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as long as religious nuts don't try to take us back to the dark ages, I am good with that

I prefer though a secular government over a theocracy, religious freedom is the best way forward - religions come and go, the new is often built on top of the old, be interesting to see what comes next

 

don't have to pick either as both are just myths, why would you want to force me to choose one

I believe what I believe, I believe in life after death, reincarnation... just not all the myths that go with it - nothing wrong with that, nothing wrong with you limiting your choice to those two, we all believe what we believe and no one can force us to change, they could force some to pretend to believe their religion though

if a religion is good, people will just believe it, they do not need to be forced to beleive