Sanders Defends Castro's Socialist Cuba

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  1. RodB

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    No, it is as if cognitive dissidence is in their DNA and as natural as waking up in the morning.
     
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    There are two problems with socialistic schemes and dreams; first -- as both the Soviets and the Chinese discovered -- you can't do it and maintain a huge standing army; which in turn means that you can't do it and remain a super power. That's WHY the Chinese have progressively (ha!) been moving away from Marxism and socialism as their economic system.

    Second, there no failure proof way to be certain that your socialistic ideal won't turn into a Venezuelan type of ongoing nightmare. It all hinges on HOPE . . . for change.
     
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    I can and do. Hitler was a half-decent artist and his paintings didn’t magically reduce in quality when he started murdering Jews. Again, just because a good thing is done by a bad person, it doesn’t render the good thing bad.

    Who is advocating the US adopt a Cuban form of government? Sanders specifically stated that he opposes the authoritarian nature of the Cuban government so clearly doesn’t want to simply replicate it in the US. The fact remains that Castro did introduce literacy programs and it’s perfectly viable to say literacy programs are good but Castro was bad.
     
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    The Dems only have a 5% chance of winning the election without Florida. Cuban Americans know socialism intimately, and better than any other Americans.

    Anyone who lived under socialism hates it.
     
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    Stossel TV has a great run down on all Bernie, everyday Bernie.

     
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    Whoa now. Slow down with that logic. your making too much sense around here.
     
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    "Here we go." You have that right. If Sanders wins the nomination, Trump's campaign will vilify him to the point where he's such a complete communist, it's like voting for him would make us into a copy of the old, failed Soviet Union. That will be especially effective with voting boomers who recall the old "duck and cover" drills in school back in the 50s and 60s.

    Even the left wing media pundits are too stupid to understand why Putin has his people trying to help Bernie, and why Trump keeps mentioning it. Right wing pundits are telling the press and Trump's base that Putin wants Sanders as president, not Trump, which is ridiculous. Idiots and liars on both sides just don't get it: Putin wants Bernie as the Dem nominee because he thinks it will be much easier for Trump to win in November against Bernie than any of the other candidates. Heck, for all we know, Trump specifically asked Putin to help Bernie.

    So, expect a lot more of this "Bernie is a commie" horse pucky in the months to come.
     
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    Probably not a good platform to run on. A lot of nations have raised their literacy rate without turning the country into a giant impoverished prison.

    What Sanders ignores is socialism is based on coercion vs. the free market system.

    OK, and Hitler made the trains run on time.
     
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    Your party nominating Bolshevik Bernie will do a lot more to help Trump than Russia could ever dream of.

    Personally, I don't care about Russia, China and Radical Islam are our real enemies. Russia has an economy the size of Italy's, a military 10% of ours, and one broken aircraft carrier.

    Amazing to me how the LW, who was quite agitated about the human rights violations of Apartheid South Africa years ago, excuses the much worse human rights violations of Cuba.
     
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    Democratic socialism is not about coercion or force, it's about the will of the people via voting for programs that benefit everyone, not just the top 1%. Coercion and force were what the old Soviet Union was about, and Fidel followed that model up to a point. None of that is applicable to Bernie's platform.
     
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    Who is Peebles? What influence does he have? I'm a long time political junky, and even I have never heard of him.

    Sounds irrelevant to me.
     
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    Israel IS a racist nation. If the shoe fits ...
     
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    One man's 'fair' is another man's con. Why does he defend Cuba if it isn't applicable to us? 'Up to a point'? Cuba was every bit as repressive as the USSR gulag society. The following book needs to be read by every Cuba apologist, it tells what happened to many for merely making a critical remark about Castro: https://www.amazon.com/Against-All-...ando+valladares&qid=1582561935&s=books&sr=1-2
     
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    Your party has racist members of the House.
     
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    "Former Obama National Finance Committee Member Don Peebles"
     
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    It seems that during campaigns, people forget that part. Candidates for president always promise they'll do this or that, and voters choose accordingly, but none of those promises will happen without congressional approval. It isn't enough to win the Oval Office; you must also have a majority in House and Senate.
     
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    Could be that since the Dems know that NONE of their candidates can defeat THE PRESIDENT, they will allow Bernie to prevail just to shut up the Bernie Bros and sink the AOC/ Bernie/Socialist/commie branch (or should I say the OUT SPOKEN socialist/commie branch since they are all one version or another of socialist/commies, just more secretive about it)?
     
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    I don't think it is his platform, just a singular statement.

    I disagree in principle but I don't see how that is relevant to this specific point. If anything, it's the opposite. The argument presented is "Socialism is bad because Cuba is bad" which is logically flawed. That doesn't mean socialism isn't bad, only that it requires a better argument.

    That was Mussolini and largely a myth anyway but it doesn't change anything. Are you saying trains running on time is a bad thing because (you thought) Hitler did it?
     
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    The Castro comparison with Hitler is accurate, Hitler demonized people based on race, Communism/socialism demonized people based on class or economic success.
     
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    Not my party, dude. I've never joined any of them. I'm simply much more ticked off by the GOP these last 20 years or so.
     
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    Socialism is bad because it is based on theft, and has failed everywhere it has been tried.

    I'm saying trains running on time don't negate the holocaust, or Castro's repression. There was some graffiti in Cuba that sums it up well, the government sign said 'Socialism or death', underneath someone wrote 'What's the difference?'
     
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    And how many nukes?
     
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    Brilliant strategy and obviously Sanders is dumb enough to pursue it.
     
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