Sanders Defends Castro's Socialist Cuba

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  1. Sleep Monster

    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    He said that one of the first things Fidel did was institute a vastly improved education system, which is true. He said something to the effect that just because Fidel is a dictator doesn't mean he never did anything good for his people. It wasn't so much praising Castro as it was simply pointing out that bad leaders sometimes manage to do good things.

    Righties get their boxers in a bunch over the silliest things.
     
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    If the Castro education system is so good why are they still driving cars from the 1950’s.

    Hitler and Mussolini did good things for their people. So did Chavez - he even paid the utility bills for some Americans.
     
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    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Again, I don't have a party. I've never registered with any party since I started voting in 1972. I used to vote for Dems, Repubs, Libertarians, and even a green party candidate once (in a state election, not for president).

    But for the last couple of decades, the GOP has become vicious, untruthful, and underhanded, starting with New Gingrich and Clinton's impeachment over lying about an affair.

    And now they not only gave us the worst, most corrupt and incompetent president in our history, they handed him their balls on a silver platter. Since the GOP-ruled Senate didn't have the courage to stand up for what they knew was right and dismissed his impeachment, he's gone off even the thin rails he was on, suspecting every White House and Justice Dept staffer of being a never Trumper, firing the people who know how to do the work and replacing them with equally incompetent butt-kissers.

    No Republican will ever get my vote again for any office. I'd vote for Bugs Bunny over any Republican.
     
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    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Gee, another Trump supporter who knows how to cut and paste. :applause:

    As I told another user, if I, a long-time political junky, never heard of him, his title is meaningless, he has no influence to speak of, so who cares what he says?

    :bored:
     
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    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nobody does, that's my point. Finance committee member? On the campaign, or is there some sort of finance committee that is part of the White House staff? Do you even know what the title you keep copying and pasting actually means? Is there an org chart showing this guy as someone influential or important? Why is this so important to you?

    It seems to me you're only focusing on this guy being a Democrat who once worked for Obama in some minor capacity and is now saying he won't vote for Sanders if Bernie gets the nom. I'm saying BFD, it means less than nothing to me. Enough already.

    Sheesh!
     
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    Maybe one of the Bernie people who loved Castro will post something about his LGBT policy?

    Here. I will help you get started with a quote from Fidel. (Lockwood, Lee 1967. Castro's Cuba, Cuba's Fidel, revised edition: October 1990, page 124.)

    [W]e would never come to believe that a homosexual could embody the conditions and requirements of conduct that would enable us to consider him a true Revolutionary, a true Communist militant. A deviation of that nature clashes with the concept we have of what a militant Communist must be.
     
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    So unlike what you first claimed or implied, your vote is based on party.
     
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    Orange Man Bad. ^^^^ Republicans Bad. ^^^

    Keep the comedy coming.
     
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    The older Cuban Americans know what socialism is about-but the younger generations are removed from it and tend to vote democrat.

    My ex is Cuban, her father was sent from Cuba to Spain for an eye surgery, and nuns there sent him to the US.

    Where the left wants to take this...

    Why Bernie Sanders is just the beginning of an American turn to the left

    Eric Blanc offers a similar formulation. Eventually, after the Left has won significant gains at the ballot box and in civil society, the capitalist class will take the gloves off against socialists and do whatever it takes to destroy our movement. We'll need to fight back. The democratic road to socialism seeks not to elide this confrontation, but to make it possible. To replace capitalism with socialism, writes Blanc, "(a) socialists should fight to win a socialist universal suffrage electoral majority in government/parliament and (b) socialists must expect that serious anti-capitalist change will necessarily require extra-parliamentary mass action like a general strike and a revolution to defeat the inevitable sabotage and resistance of the ruling class."

    https://www.salon.com/2020/02/22/wh...he-beginning-of-an-american-turn-to-the-left/
     
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    Either that or you are way less informed than you imagine yourself to be.
     
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    You'd even vote for Comrade Bernie who defends brutal totalitarian regimes.
     
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    I'm sure slave owners did good things for their slaves too. No doubt whatever education Fidel instituted was Communist brainwashing.
     
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    What he said is akin to saying Oj was a pretty damn good running back.
     
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    I heard the quote on the evening news, it didnt seem overwhelmingly that bad.

    perhaps there more than the 15 second soundbite that I should look into.

    if there isnt, then I'm not upset
     
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    Well said.
     
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    Praising Castro’s dictatorship is not overwhelmingly bad ???
     
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    Maybe Bernie can explain to these people the wonders of Cuban socialism.
     
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    So no out of pocket healthcare costs, top schools, food security and a longer life expectancy are a bad thing according to you?
     
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    And yet thousands blow up inner tubes and attempt to float to Florida every year.
     
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    the brief clip I heard on the evening news only praised literacy program, was critical otherwise, as I said perhaps the network played the least of what was offensive, I'll look at it again tomorrow for a full context clip.
     
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    They say good things come in threes, Castro died, Trump won, and the Cubs won the World Series.
     
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    You could say all that for someone in prison.
     
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    not so fast, 16 was close with Hillary and the governor race was razor thin. the big cities dominate with blue votes and the rural areas struggle to compete with their numbers.

    however the big cities hold a lot of wealth, I would like to think they will be selfish and vote with their pocketbooks in mind.

    it's not 0%, it's more like 20% IMO.
     
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    that's the good will hunting book right?
     
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    ouch, that stings
     

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