Beijing Fears COVID-19 Is Turning Point for China, Globalization

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  1. Talon

    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is one of the finest articles I've read about the Wuhan Virus to date - little wonder RCP has it posted at the top of the stories it is covering - and while it deals with Beijing's propaganda war and the fears driving Beijing's desperate effort to salvage its severely damaged reputation, more importantly it raises the issues the U.S. and the International community need address in the aftermath of the outbreak. I highly recommend this article and encourage everyone to read it all:

    It's painfully obvious that the world does need to fundamentally rethink its dependence on China, and as an American I contend that the United States needs to END its reliance on China for the important things we need, most notably pharmaceutical ingredients (the article mentions additional products). While the federal government is considering measures to address this problem, ordinary citizens have a role to play in this, whether it be in the choices we make regarding the products we buy or encouraging businesses and public officials to correct this problem. Since most of the people here are politically active I encourage you to contact your representatives and urge them to take action so that our country's health and economy never have to go through this again.

    Kudos in advance to those who do, and thanks to Mr. Austin for writing this outstanding and informative article and RCP for publishing and highlighting it. :beer:
     
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  2. Talon

    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This video is linked in the article, and it reveals how the Chinese government has supposedly gotten a handle on the outbreak and it is diminishing. Color me unconvinced - this is a line outside a hospital in Chongqing:

     
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    I agree that despite everything that the political Left will try and do to keep us dependent on Communist China for everything we need or want, things are finally going to begin changing. There will be a significant move to make ourselves independent, which means moving our manufacturing base back inside our national borders.
     
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    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I certainly hope so. At this point things have moved beyond the question of loyalty to our country and its workers and consumers. Now, it's become a matter of self-preservation and economic common sense. Any CEO who hasn't learned a lesson from this is a reckless fool who deserves to be fired.
     
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    As they should this Chinese virus has been bad
     
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    Granny says, "Dey need to stop scratchin' dey's butts...

    ... an' pickin' dey's noses!"
     
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    Those who associate COVID-19 with globalization are fools who are totally ignorant of the history of our world.

    So demonstrate to me that globalization is responsible for the Spanish flu epidemic in 1919 and the black plague in the 15th century?
     
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    One things for sure...

    If China has another outbreak, we can expect heavy usage of napalm and flame throwers there.
     
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    You can't call it the black plague anymore.

    It's racist.
     
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    I don't think it's 'the left' you need to worry about when it comes to breaking ones dependence on China. It's middle-low income class individuals who can't afford more expensive, domestically manufactured products.

    That said, Yeah, China needs to be removed/reduced in it's importance to western nation supply chains.
     
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    The reason they can't afford them?

    Their jobs went to China.
     
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    Are you unaware of the supply chain issues due to this? Or how much harder it was for the EU to close its borders instead of single countries?
     
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    Right how dare he!?!?!??!
     
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    And Mexico, and Taiwan, and Singapore etc..etc..

    But ultimately yes, free trade agreements and the desire to outsource production to third world countries with vastly inferior labor standards is the origin for the current predicament.

    Unfortunately, it's going to be interesting because there wont' be any jobs unless the production facilities are moved back to the US, to give the people better wages so they can afford the more expensive goods.
     
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    Since the WuVirus has impacted the global economy and commerce the two are linked. Furthermore, if the CDC didn't think international business travel in and out of China didn't pose a health risk it wouldn't have warned against it.

    I don't think anyone has asserted or believes that this outbreak will result in the end of globalization and foreign supply chains. However, it is already forcing people and governments to consider their over-reliance on China and their relationships with its government.

    Obviously, this reassessment is long overdue, but sometimes it takes things like this to focus people's attention.
     
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    Sure. Many places where they use slave labor so that people can have their cheap products.

    Moving jobs back to the US has been one of this President's main goals.

    Hopefully people will begin to understand why.
     
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    I think its a laudable goal, that many would support. The issue is that it will mean a hit for the business class as such a move won't be cheap, and will require a lot of moving parts to all work together. It would entirely depend on how voluntary such a move would be as many major corps likely would simply move elsewhere in the world before returning to the US.

    I don't know how it can be done, but I agree that it should be. At least to some level.
     
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    I am not sure but I believe neither of those two examples was possibly man made. It is very likely the Wuhan virus was.
     
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    Well said and do not think for one second China is not aware of the outcome for them economically which could likely result if the people standing up to their government leaders.
    One surprising benefit for the Chinese, with this virus getting out of their control, we have heard little from the Hong Kong Protesters.

    Odd how that goes.
     
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    you sure that's real there are a lot fake video out there.Chongqing is in southern china, its temperature is around 80F right now, I see people wear winter clothe lol. also there are expat from UK and other countries. in china provide video on youtube showing its slow down. my in law also in Beijing saying its slowing down. but the government say it might pick up later as more ppl going out doors. potentially mini spike until vaccine is found.
    I would listen to WHO rather than rumors online.
     
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    read conspiracy too much, if CIA/Trump didn't think its bioweapon that's good enough. +non of the health official saying its man made.
     
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    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's not a problem limited to the Left, but unfortunately far too many of the self-styled "progressives" in our country are more concerned with politicizing this situation than focusing on what we need to do to break our over-reliance on China and recalibrating our relations with Chairman Mao 2.0 and the rest of the ChiComs in Beijing. To do this they've got to put their country before their party and work with their fellow Americans across the aisle to rectify this situations so Righties, Lefties and everyone in between doesn't have to go though this again. We need to be prepared for the next epidemic coming out of China, because it's not a matter of it but when the next one will occur.

    I'm an ordinary middle class American and the extra expense has been more than worth it in terms of value and supporting American workers and companies. However, it can be an issue for poor Americans who are barely scraping by and have to buy the least expensive products on the market.
     
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    Being a communications professional who has produced quite a few videos over the years I see nothing to suggest that the content is fabricated or manipulated, and the fact that is being disseminated by the Center for Disease Control (CDC) only reinforces my impression that it is legitimate.

    Furthermore, it's not the truthfulness of the CDC that I am worried about - it's the truthfulness of the officials in Beijing who haven't been completely frank and forthright with everyone.

    By the way, I live in a state in the southern U.S. and I had to wear a coat to work this morning. In two days the highs will be in the low 80s and the cases of COVID-19 continue to rise.
     
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    Well said.
     
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    Stop describing my saturday night evening...
     
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