If Democratic Socialism Works, Why Doesn’t Venezuela Have Toilet Paper?

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  1. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Your personal ideological preference is noted. Nevertheless, the most advanced nations on earth have democratically chosen their level of regulation and social welfare.

    I am not aware of any purely capitalist or purely socialist regimes that approach the success such pragmatic integrations have achieved.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is pointless to bring up Cuba and Venezuela in a conversation about Bernie Sanders or "Democratic Socialism" because that is not what is being proposed.

    All Gov'ts do this - this is just a fact. This fact has no bearing on what I want - I am a hard core free market economy capitalist and fiscal conservative.
     
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    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't think its a cut and dry as in does socialism work or not.
    Supposedly it works great in Finland (population 5.5 million)
    Supposedly it worked like crap in Venezuela (population 40 million)
    So clearly, it will NOT work in America with 300+ million.
    So is Socialism the devil? NO. but it clearly fails in large populations. this is what liberals don't understand (because most of them hate math and statistics)
     
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    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A few years back Bernie did!!!!!
     
  5. ronv

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    Answer:
    US sanctions.
    Question:
    Does your store have toilet paper?
     
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    There is no such thing as "democratic socialism" and the purpose of my post was to point that out.

    Yes all governments do it but, not because it is good for the society. They do it to mollify the population. If you were a fiscal conservative you wouldn't support federal government social spending.
     
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    Yes most people are economically illierate and it is easy for government to sway them with money.
    The countries to which you refer are purely capitalist. None are socialist. All engage in social spending.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your claim is ridiculously false. Without Roads, Infrastructure, Police and so on - we would be a third world country.

    Your definition of "fiscal conservative" is obscenely warped.
     
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    hellofromwarsaw Well-Known Member

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    because it is basically a third world country with a lot of oil and we don't allow them to sell their oil anymore d u h
     
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    I always forget. When I refer to government I mean federal government. Sorry about that.
     
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    The definition of socialism is basically production owned or regulated by the community. Immediately that cannot be a dictatorship. Only in the English speaking world is there such confusion between communism and socialism. Thanks to Savage capitalist British and American conservatives, the most misinformed people in the modern world at this point. The non-english speaking countries of the modern world all believe that socialism is fair capitalism always Democratic with a good safety net. Communism not. They all had socialist parties and communist parties and the difference is democracy. So communists AR not socialist. It would be just great if the English speakers of the world could figure out that socialism is not such a threat.... Think Canada for crying out loud. Even if they don't call it socialism. the real question is why is the United States the richest country in the world the only rich country that doesn't have a living wage healthcare daycare paid parental leave cheap college and training great infrastructure and vacations and mainly taxing the rich and giant corporations their fair share. That would be the GOP and its garbage propaganda machine and the poor people who believe all that absolute bologna.

    "We are all socialists now!"-president of Finland when ObamaCare passed.
     
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    Demean and/or label them however fits your agenda.

    Progressive social institutions such as universal healthcare (Ideological crackpots call it "socialized medicine") are admirable human achievements in the most advanced democracies that all regulate capitalism.
     
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    We can argue semantics all you want but it doesn't change anything. Canada has no socialism at all. It is a capitalist country just like Poland.
     
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    Thanks for the opinions. I don't share either one.
     
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    Communism is not socialism. Socialism must have some democracy. Wake up and smell the coffee. Socialism is fair capitalism. Not our crap GOP capitalism. Socialism is a living wage health Care daycare paid parental leave cheap college and training great infrastructure and vacations, and mainly taxing the rich and giant corporations their fair share. A few more years of this Republican garbage tax rates we will be an oligarchy...and I'll tell you why we don't have all that stuff it's because the GOP always screams that's socialism communism. Absolute idiocy. so we have the worst inequality and upward mobility ever and anywhere in the modern world by far. Great job
     
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    Sweden is not fully socialist. In 1990, their economy was flat and the government was 30% of the GDP. Not one new private sector job was created in Sweden between 1970 and 1990.

    Then they dropped government's share of the economy to 20% and the economy grew again. They’ve moved to a system with less government intrusion.

    It’s amazing what can happen when you keep government small.
     
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    Only English speaking conservatives believe that crap at this point. "we are all socialists now!"--president of Finland when ObamaCare passed.
     
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    You may want to look into some anger management training.
     
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    And here I thought it was US who were experiencing empty store shelves where toilet paper would normally be sold from??Who knew Venezuela was also having a problem.
     
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    Of course they have to be tinkered with forever. Just like a healthcare system if we had one LOL
     
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    I'm not angry, just trying to break through the brainwash.
     
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    Doesn't matter - Gov't is Gov't - and what is your issue with Federal Gov't social spending as related to fiscal conservatism. Your definition is still completely ridiculous.
     
  23. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    There's that, and there's the fact that Venezuela has had the price of its resource mainstay, oil, fall through the bottom of a black hole over the past few years.

    But it doesn't matter. Tucker will look at the screen like a dog watching you on the toilet, ( which he learned from being unable to tolerate contacts, too nearsighted to see the teleprompter and too vain to wear glasses) and all the devoted former O'Reillynauts (and it was just such a shame how that little hussy ruined him, but aren't we just lucky Tucker was waiting there), will go crazy at how cleverly their little bow tie boy shows the liberals up for their baffling stupidity at being unable to comprehend how letting our grandparents starve while we buy more jet planes that pilots are frightened to fly is God's way
     
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    Interesting that you defend what government does without question. I'm not going to waste time lecturing you about the appropriate role of government when you consider what I say to be ridiculous.
     
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    As a side note Democratic Socialism is even less realistic than Socialism. Democratic Socialism is an oxymoron.
     
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