Putin Won't have it! WW2 was Wests' fault. Hitler was created and pushed to attack Russia.

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  1. Thingamabob

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    Personally, I consider March 1936 the beginning of WWII when Hitler took Saarland.
     
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    I read that the depression didn't start with the failure of a bank, that it really started with the failure of the farms in Germany. It could be right, since the Germans were really bad off at the time. This would have been about the time the crops failed in Russia and Khruschev who was in charge, began taking food from the Ukrainians and leaving them with nothing. This was also the time Oklahoma was having its dust storms, and they began moving to California.

    If I'm right, and I don't know for sure, then not only the depression started because of a world wide climate change but also WWII. Could it also be why Japan was encroaching on Manchuria and other parts of the Far East? Who knows?
     
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    The Great Depression in America started, because the Roaring 20’s chickens came home to roost. The speculation bubble burst, causing the market to crash, which was followed by panic selling of assets, then deflation followed.
     
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    The American people didn't want their husbands and sons killed in a war that had nothing to do with us. We weren't attacked, nor were we allied with the European countries that were attacked by Germany. A large majority of Americans were ethnically Germans and had relatives in Germany; the Irish hated the British, and the Italians were allied with Germany - so why would anyone here want us to we enter WWII? To help the British? France maybe, since they helped us in the revolutionary war.

    That we had the lend lease and were helping Britain was enough. Later on Churchill asked Roosevelt to extend the lend lease to Moscow for food, since Russias western farm lands had been taken by the Germans, and Leningrad was under siege and starving.
     
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    First of all, why are the Jews even being mentioned, when the British in London were being killed by bombs, and the Russians, Serbs and other Slavs were being hung, shot or starved to death in the millions. Not to minimize what the Jews suffered, but was it worse than what others went through?
     
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    From the recordings of Nürnberg trials. They did not specify which branch was involved in this, but it is not essential as there was one owner of all the oil companies. Here is also a link in the internet about Standard Oil and other companies participating in the support of Nazis: https://www.warhistoryonline.com/wo...s-that-worked-with-the-nazis-during-wwii.html
     
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    Please give a reference for that speech. What I know is that Hitler told the Polish ambassador that he wanted to ship the Jews to Africa, and the ambassador responded that if he did, they would put a statue of Hitler in Warsaw.

    Putin reminded everyone of that little tid bit, right after Poland decided to distort history and make the Soviet Union equally guilty for starting WWII.
     
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    Did they support the Nazis before we went to war, or after? There is a difference. One is normal trade with another nation, and the other is treason.
     
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    Sweeten was neutral they the whole war, and exported Iron-Ore to Germany.
     
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    I think you mean "Sweden". No neutral nation (including the U.S.) fought against the Nazis until AFTER they were attacked by either Hitler or the Axis. We were never attacked.
     
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    Well....you start wars you pay the price.

    No different than Asiatic Moskalis destroying Grozny....Finland....South Ossetia.....Donetsk.

    What about that brilliant move into Afghanistan in the 80s.....cost them big time...lol.
     
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    Uh....no it's not fake history.....Germany lost they pay the price.

    Well...yeah they were rolling back because US bombings of German factories.

    Kursk was abandoned by Hitler since he needed to divert resources to Italy where US forces landed in Sicily.

    Bagration coincided with DDay.....where Hitler sent forces to Normandy from SU to try shore up defenses against Allied landings.

    If you look at the various campaigns the Russkis launched they were closely coincided with US moves in the West.
     
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    Can You give a link to this part of Nürnberg trials?

    So there was a treason in times of war - some US company helped the enemy, but none even investigate this, just for some unclear reasons mentioned this in Nürnberg trials? Really?
     
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    Yes it was worse, because only jews and Gipsies nazis tried to completely exterminate.
     
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    Actually Russia owes more than US.....for it's occupations of the former Warsaw Pact.....and recognition it was a team effort to defeat Germany.....not some Patriotic War BS.
     
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    Germany declared war.
     
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    As a percentage of their population lost, yes it was worse than most others; gypsies may have had it worse in that respect as well, though some gypsy tribes were considered 'Aryan' and left alone; such is the bizarre contortions when pseudo-intellectuals try and practice an made up ideology.
     
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    Yes, and so did Japan. I continue to be utterly amazed at the people who still do not know that, but insist on poasting as if they know the history anyway, bu tif one points out they're merely trolls and loons the mods will rush in and delete the posts, for some reason, instead of thread banning the trolls. Reminds me of why I don't post here much any more, and will stay with my old board.
     
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    Go to Nürnberg Trial Courthouse, they have a museum there. There you can find all the info. Or read the referenced book. This was not the only US company that helped Nazis.
     
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    You confuse the war on the territory of USSR which was a Patriotic war for Soviet Union and not some world war, and a war outside of the territory of USSR. Russia owes nothing to anyone.
     
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    Oil was supplied to Germany unil the end of 1941 when Germany declared a war with the US.
     
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    Sweden always supported Germany, even in WWI. I guess they never forgot what Peter the Great did to them and didn't want to ally with Russia.. Norway and Denmark saw Sweden as traitors, for not supporting their Scandinavian Brethren. I know this, because I had a 'tanta Betty' when I was young.
     
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    Since we weren't at war, then we had as much right to trade with Germany as we did with any other country in the world.
     
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    They had more skin in that war and lost exponentially more lives than we did .

    Their ccontribution in lives lost was massive. But they didnt win it by their lonesome . Yet discounting their efforts is rather stupid . We and our western allies would have won the war given our great manufacturing based nation and our location safe from the hell we and England unleashed on Germany.

    Most of the imperialism of russia came after ww2 under the rule of ccommunist dictators and the communist. revolution . The pre ussr never set out to conquer western europe. Nor did they start any of the world wars. Indeed they were invaded

    more than they invaded others before the communist revolution .

    I think you are trying to rewrite American history in regatds to the US govt and the indians . We broke more treaties and our word was a joke! We spoke with a forked tongue. With tremendous consequence for those tribes we lied to. But when we set out to take their lands breaking agreements and lying was a given .For they were mostly savages and in the way. And our actions was just the way this world worked back then. Lands that the west wanted was just taken. The history of humanity and normal. And many tribes were blood thirsty savages who got off on torturing the whites but also other tribes . We cleaned this country up and made it what it is today .

    Sure real deal socialism and communism has never worked unless you were a ruling elite in those systems .

    If the neoliberal globalists have their way and both parties are of this ilk on behalf of our elites and wall street very little industry will come back here. They will relocate out of china and go to another slave labor wage communist nation like Vietnam where labor costs are cents on the dollar. Or to a place like India that has a billion poor who will work for cents on the dollar that causes wall street to ejaculate in their britches .

    Also we really didnt destroy the indian tribes with guns as much as our diseases killed entire tribes. . They in turn gave us veneral disease. Even the common cold we brought over killed quite a few indians .




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