Anecdotal, but is it really that contagious?

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  1. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Stuck at home this week, and talking on the phone with friends, it turns out that a handful of people I know well all experienced horrible flu-like symptoms in December and January. None were tested for Covid, as it was not a topic of discussion at the times of their sicknesses.

    Now weeks and months later, they are all thinking that they had the virus, undetected.

    Similar descriptions of symptoms, general malaise with splitting headaches, some with cough (unproductive) some not. All have recovered, all stayed home for more than a week. All described the experience as the worst flu-like experience they had ever had. None went for medical treatment. All knew it was similar to the flu, but that it was not the flu.

    The interesting part is that for all 6 individuals, no spouse/partner became sick at all. So I'm wondering if this stuff is contagious as they say. It appears some individuals are more seriously effected than others.

    Thoughts?
     
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    Did they or their spouse have the flu vaccine?
     
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    "Anecdotal" being the operative word.

    Still, glad to hear the good news.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    A good question, and I'm not sure. One of the individuals (British, US citizen) did mention just today that he does not take the flu shot.

    The others I'm not sure of.
     
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    My wife brought a pulmonary virus home from the supermarket in January. We both suffered from endless coughing for about 3 weeks. I have no idea whether it was covid or not. Not a clue.
     
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    I had a bout with (what I assume to be)flu in December, it went through my office like wildfire. I was only down for about 3 days with fever, cough stuck around for longer. Probably was just flu.
     
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    Few things less "social distancing" than kids in schools. Seems like either the tots are semi immune or it's not that contagious as there were / are not widespread cases in schools.
     
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    Well, I guess that would imply that all the data being compiled by organizations like the CDC and WHO is fabricated?
     
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    Maybe some of the people were vaccinated in the military. Have you found out what your blood type is yet?
     
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    I've already caught hell from someone I know for daring to say this, but I'm not convinced that the asymptomatic folks are contagious. The reason is that it seems to me that if this were true, they would be closing retail, all of Walgreens except the pharmacy drive-through, coffee shops, all carry-out for restaurants, etc. etc. OR they would be attempting to test every single person, sick or well. They are not doing these things. I sort of think that we're being told this asymptomatic thing out of an abundance of caution.
     
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    They have closed retail and all non essential business and restaurants can only sell takeaway.
     
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    It is important to understand that the doctors focus on the medical aspects of the epidemic. They will always take the safest road. As an example I need a surgery for an aortic aneurysm. The Hospital won't do it because they have delayed all "elective" surgery. I put the "elective" in quotes because I didn't elect it. The doctors did. How many covid patients in the hospital? I was told there is only one. It is the nature of medical practice.

    Doctors aren't going to consider the economic or other aspects of the virus. Someone else has to do that.
     
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    I had a terrible cough in January for 2 weeks, coworkers was so bad he got a chest xray.

    neither of our spouses got anything.
     
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    I don't think COVID-19 is any more contagious than the annual flus. I think we, as a globe, are overreacting to this disease.

    Should elderly people be staying at home and not having fifty million people trampling through their doors constantly potentially exposing them to the disease?? Yes. Should people take precautions such as hand washing and sanitizing and the like to help slow the spread of the disease?? Yes.

    Should we be closing down countries and economies across the world over this disease?? No.
     
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    Is it contagious?

    The real test is when we see doctors and nurses coming down with the virus even though they are using safe work
    protocols. They are very worried about how contagious this disease is.
     
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    I'm certainly not making that claim.

    The point is that in December and January it essentially wasn't even a topic, Covid 19. Robert Redfield of CDC said that pretty much 3 weeks ago in front of Congress regarding deaths in Washington State.

    The bigger point is that until recently they had no test kits for Covid. They could not have tested if they wanted to.

    Now that we are getting test kits out in the field, the numbers are naturally growing, simply because they are finally able to test.

    Another issue is the rate of false positives, a common factor in most tests, especially in the early stages.
     
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    It's contagious and deadly enough that our response is appropriate. We should've acted much sooner. It's pretty incredible to watch the exponential growth on sick map. Doing the math, it's about 82k confirmed cases per month, averaged.

    https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

    If it weren't for the fact that so many end up requiring hospitalization, it wouldn't matter how contagious it was. That's the whole issue here, our medical infrastructure is about to get wrecked. That's why eveyone needs to avoid contracting and transmitting to the best of their ability.
     
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    My blood type?

    Huh?

    What does that have to do with anything?

    As far as being "Vaccinated in the Military"?

    I will entertain the topic the next time that I attend my Bi-Annual Meeting (with fellow recipients of the Navy Cross).:salute:

    As far as the Actual OP Topic?

    I am happy if anyone can find a treatment (that alleviates symptoms) that works for them.

    That said, it IS "Purely Anecdotal".:flagus:
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    I totally agree, but I say susceptibility is subjective, it varies from person to person probably substantially.

    I will try to link to a Comedy Central interview by Trevor Noah with Dr. Fauci. It is the most informative 15 minutes on TV I've had in a long time.

    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/03/27/dr-fauci-interview-on-cv-19/

    Yes, a must watch.

    The other element I see is that of false positives in the testing process. There are very few tests that cannot throw a false positive, this one included, but nobody talks about that point.
     
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    Wuhan is the Chinese city that started the pandemic. It has 11 million residents. If it was really as infectious as doomers want to claim, I'd have expected a hell of a lot more than 67k people to catch it. Of course, I treat any numbers coming from the Chinese government with a healthy degree of skepticism, so it's entirely possible that a whole lot more of them caught it than were reported as confirmed cases. But if that's what happened, then the virus isn't nearly as deadly as the doomers have been claiming. It seems to me that they're in a Catch-22 either way.
     
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    There's a thread about that actually, that according to a Chinese whistleblower, 21 million Chinese are actually dead. Of course, it'd be equally as shocking to try and hide 21 million deaths and not be caught doing it.
     
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    Yeah, cuz cooks and counter staff cant catch or spread the virus
     
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    well without them being tested to find out if they just had the flu or a bad cold or the Corona virus there is no point in speculating anything.
     
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    My family was hit with a bug right around Christmas. My mom was sick during the family Christmas dinner. My wife and kid both got it and it hit them hard. But no fever or aches. It was just a head cold.

    Colds are caused by coronaviruses too. There's always a bug that goes around in Winter time. As a teacher, if I'm going to get sick, it almost always happens in Winter.
     
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    Known and developing facts contradict the official claim that it started in Wuhan.

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/covid...nfection-towards-global-contamination/5707588
     

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