About the Holocaust

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  1. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, Sweetheart, he didn't die, he survived weighing 43 kg at a height of 1.84 m! Was sent to France for 3 years of slave labor! He came back in the fall of 1948, after he had left home at the end of September 1943, age 17 + 4 days, volunteering for the Waffen SS!
    He fought on both fronts, last in Hungary where his Panzer unit was chased by the Russians. They ran out of fuel, stole horses and used them to pull their equipment, but the Russians would have gotten them hadn't their commander had a cousin on the American side, who was notified of the dire situation and asked for help. Low and behold, to their amazement an American tanker arrived and brought them fuel and also opened a narrow escape path for them!!!

    So, on the one hand it was the Americans who saved them from the Russians and certain death, to the other hand, where they would be starved to death by Eisenhower!!!
    My brother was one of the lucky ones and survived that ordeal. In France, although not treated overwhelmingly friendly, but at least he got some food and recovered. He worked with a team of oxen on a small farm for an elderly couple where the farmer regularly got drunk. This was in Southern France, and when he came home after five years he was not the little teenager anymore, but a well tanned, very handsome young man!
    * * *
    "The final act of WWII for "Hohenstaufen" came on April 26, 1945 when they were ordered to the Amstetten area where they received orders on May 1st, 1945 to move to Enns-Steyr-Amstetten area and without the use of force stop the American advance as not to endanger the negotiations that by now were going on between the German and Western Allies. After some negotiations this succeeded and on May 8th, 1945, the 9. SS-Panzer-Division "Hohenstaufen" marched into American captivity."

    https://www.feldgrau.com/WW2-German-9th-SS-Panzer-Division-Hohenstaufen
     
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    Jews are not a race but a ethnic/ religious group
     
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    You are only confirming what I've said all along about holocaustians. Their only "arguments" to support the mythical holocaust narratives are:
    1. Name calling (popular ones are: "anti Semite", "Neo Nazi" etc)
    2. Evasions (an inability to answer honest questions)
    3. Censorship ( demanding to have independent thinkers banned because the truth threatens the fragile holocaust narrative).

    @Kokomojojo just presented hard evidence that most of the world's international Jewish/Zionist organizations declared a "Holy War" against Germany in an attempt to starve millions of innocent German civilians (aka "Hitler's people") and since you can't refute that fact, you must resort to name calling.

    "When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser" Socrates


    Re:

    Wikipedia is an entirely useless source for discussing anything related to WW 2, Israel - Palestine etc because it is infected by paid, trained & scripted Zionist trolls:


    (1) "Course: Zionist Editing on Wikipedia"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t52LB2fYhoY



    (2) "The right's latest weapon: 'Zionist editing' on Wikipedia" Haaretz"
    https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2010/08/the-rights-latest-weapon-zionist-editing-on-wikipedia-haaretz.html

    EXCERPT"Now the Yesha Council of settlements and another right-wing group, Israel Sheli, are embarking on a Wikipedia battle: Zionist editing on the Web-based encyclopedia.

    The course was designed to teach how to register for, contribute to and edit for Wikipedia."CONTINUED



    (3) "Zionist Control of WikiPedia"
    http://www.ascertainthetruth.com/at...ls-the-media/429-zionist-control-of-wikipedia
     
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    The accusations are false and nothing more than garbage propaganda, water off a ducks back.

    The Jews declared war on Germany and you have the gall to post groundless Zio-J-W propaganda accusing Hitler of antisemitism?

    With over 150,000 Jews in his army, many very high ranking, several awarded highest military award, the German medal of honor BY HITLER! Seriously?

    If thats the wackydoodle measuring stick you want to use then roosevelt was an antijapinst.

    Seems to add up to some seriously twisted [un]reason, what fantastical reason could you possibly dream up that people should not judge that as a blatant level of ludicrous contradiction therefore purely delusional?
     
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    wrong again! you people are running zero for zero!

    DNA Links Prove Jews Are a 'Race,' Says Genetics Expert

    Conjuring fear of Nazism and anti-Semitism, Jews recoil from the thought that Judaism might be a race, but medical geneticist Harry Ostrer insists the 'biological basis of Jewishness' cannot be ignored.

    Jon Entine May 07, 2012 10:51 AM

    In his new book, “Legacy: A Genetic History of the Jewish People,” Harry Ostrer, a medical geneticist and professor at Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York, claims that Jews are different, and the differences are not just skin deep. Jews exhibit, he writes, a distinctive genetic signature.


    Hitler was smarter than you give him credit!
     
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    Fun with Nazis. :D

     
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    Because it's the truth. 99.9% of all HC deniers are anti-Semites or neo-Nazis.

    Asking for answers to the same questions over and over again isn't honest. Most holocaust deniers do so. It's something like a game that the opponent aways must lose.

    Liars and fraudsters are banned, not thinkers. :)
     
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    :boo: :boo: :boo: :boo: :boo: :boo: :boo:
    Fun with zionist propagandists! :yawn:

    But I dont deny the holocaust

    No one denies the J-Ws had their holocaust, why do you continue to post that garbage?

    The holocaust is a FACT, please refer to the historical records starting with Dresden:

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    J-Ws Slaughter Murder and Burn

    Defenseless NonCombatant German Civilians




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    Stars and Stripes is an American military newspaper that focuses and reports on matters concerning the members of the United States Armed Forces. It operates from inside the Department of Defense, but is editorially separate from it, and its First Amendment protection is safeguarded by the United States Congress, to whom an independent ombudsman, who serves the readers' interests, regularly reports.



    Stars & Stripes

    London Edition, Saturday, May 5, 1945, Vol. 5, No. 156

    Air Raid on Dresden Killed More Than 300,000

    by Dan Regan
    Stars and Stripes Staff Writer
    With the 1st Army, May 3 (Delayed) -- The Allied air raid on Dresden on Feb. 13-14 killed 300,000 persons, according to a report by Dresden police to a group of 600 -- British and French -- prisoners who were given passes by the Germans to enter the American lines.
    Nine British PWs were working in Dresden during the raid and said the horror and devastation caused by the Anglo-American 14-hour raid was beyond human comprehension unless one could see for himself.
    One British sergeant said,
    "Reports from Dresden police that 300,000 died as a result of the bombing [and that] didn't include deaths among 1,000,000 evacuees from the Breslau area trying to escape from the Russians. There were no records on them.
    "After seeing the results of the bombing, I believe these figures are correct."
    "They had to pitchfork shriveled bodies onto trucks and wagons and cart them to shallow graves on the outskirts of the city. But after two weeks if work the job became too much to cope with and they found other means to gather up the dead."
    "They burned bodies in a great heap in the center of the city, but the most effective way, for sanitary reasons, was to take flamethrowers and burn the dead as they lay in the ruins. They would just turn the flamethrowers into the houses, burn the dead and then close off the entire area. The whole city is flattened. They were unable to clean up the dead lying beside roads for several weeks," the sergeant added.


    Psychopathic Marxi-Commie-Zionist J-Ws holocausted 95% of all helpless innocent Germans residential areas.

    Zionists seem to have a short memory too since that has been posted before.

     
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    The Nazi followers wanted total war. They were given what they were begging for.
     
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    Burning corpses on railroad tracks did work.
    But when it comes to Operation Reinhard, the common Holocaust denier says that it wasn't possible to burn corpses this way. :(
     
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    If the HC narrative would be so fragile, why it survived until today?
     
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    yeh they were simply deporting the Jews, is there an obscure point in there somewhere?
     
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    Witnesses to the Gas Chambers of Auschwitz
    By Robert Faurisson
    Published: 1993-01-01

    My first trial took place in 1981, followed by the appeal in 1983. Not one single [self declared] witness took the risk of appearing in court.

    On April 26, 1983, the Paris Court of Appeal rendered its verdict. Naturally, I was found guilty, as one might have expected, for "harm to others" which is in fact to say for harm caused to Jews for the exposition of my theses in the mainstream press. Yet the court coupled this verdict with remarks sufficient to cause my adversaries a fair degree of consternation. My work was judged to be serious and yet dangerous. It was dangerous because, in the opinion of the judges, it appeared I allowed other persons the possibility of exploiting my discoveries for reprehensible ends!

    All the while, this same work was serious in the sense that, in the opinion of the court, one could uncover neither negligence, frivolousness, willful ignorance, nor lies - and this contrary to what had been affirmed by the adversarial party, which had accused me of "causing harm to others by falsification of history." (sic)

    On the subject of testimonies, the court went so far as to pronounce:

    "The researches of Mr. Faurisson have dealt with the existence of the gas chambers which, to believe multiple testimonies, would have been used during the Second World War to systematically put to death a portion of those persons deported by the German authorities." (my emphasis)

    The court perfectly summarized what it called my "logical thread" and my "reasoning" by specifying it, for me,

    The Judge:
    "[...] the existence of the gas chambers, such as usually described since 1945, conflict with an absolute impossibility, which suffices by itself to invalidate all the existing testimonies or, at the least, to stamp them with suspicion."

    which suffices by itself to invalidate all the existing testimonies [claiming gas chambers as :icon_shithappens: ]

    which suffices by itself to invalidate all the existing testimonies [claiming gas chambers as :icon_shithappens: ]

    invalidate all the existing testimonies [claiming gas chambers as :icon_shithappens: ]

    invalidate all the existing testimonies [ claiming gas chambers as :icon_shithappens: ]

    invalidate all the existing testimonies [ claiming gas chambers as :icon_shithappens: ]


    Finally, the court, drawing a practical conclusion from these considerations, decreed the right of every Frenchman not to believe in the evidence and witnesses of the gas chambers. It stated:

    "The value of the conclusions defended by Mr. Faurisson [as to the problem of the gas chambers] rests therefore upon the sole appreciation of the experts, the historians and the public."

    Two weeks later, Simone Veil publicly reacted to this judicial decision - upsetting for her and her co-religionists - with a declaration of extreme importance. She admitted the absence of proofs, of traces and even witnesses of the gas chambers, but added this absence was easily explained because:

    "Everyone knows [she asserts] that the Nazis destroyed these gas chambers and systematically eradicated all the witnesses." :icon_shithappens::icon_shithitsthefan

    To begin with, "everyone knows" is not an argument worthy of a jurist. Furthermore, Simone Veil, believing perhaps to be getting out from behind the eight-ball, made her case only worse; in effect, in order to uphold what she was claiming, it would have been necessary for her to prove not only that the gas chambers had existed but that the 'Nazis' had destroyed them and that they liquidated all the witnesses: a vast criminal undertaking about which one wonders on what order, when, with whom and by what means the Germans would have carried it out in greatest secrecy.

    But what does it matter? We shall take note of this concession by S. Veil: there is neither proof, nor traces, nor witnesses to the gas chambers.

    It so happens that, in trying to reassure her circle, S. Veil clothed this surprising concession with conventional parlance. Here is, therefore, in her own words, what she confided in an interview-event for France-Soir Magazine (May 7, 1983, p. 47), of which the title was: "Simone Veil's warning in regard to Hitler's diaries: 'We risk banalizing genocide'":

    By Robert Faurisson
    1993-01-01




    Allied Military Police

    NO GASSING

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    It was proven not only by the US Criminal Forensic Expert Charles Larsen, and Britains Barton, way back in 1945 and a memo circulated to the police centers in 1948 that no gassing took place, yet the Marxi-Zio-Commie J-Ws evangelize spreading massive propaganda and LIES.


    Gas chambers? :icon_shithappens:
    Mass murder? :icon_shithappens:
    Extermination, (murdered J-Ws)? :icon_shithappens:


    [​IMG]
     
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    Yeh, I dont deny the holocaust, I agree that the J-Ws incinerated millions of innocent germans to have their holocaust ritual offering to moloch.

    He may be guilty of holocaust denial because datz da leuw but the courts agreed that he was right and the gaz chambers are a big pile J-W excrement foisted on the unwitting public.

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    In other words he debunked the gas chamber claims proving in court they are a myth nothing more than zonist propaganda and lies.
     
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    I firmly believe that you would still deny the Holocaust if you had a time machine and could be there watching Nazi criminals killing and burning innocent people.

    Holocaust deniers are very strange.
    Blokes like Faurisson definitely belong behind bars (during lifetime).
    But those of them who believe professional liars like Faurisson are poor people. What's wrong with them? I think It's a kind of mental illness.

    https://www.osce.org/odihr/441122?download=true
     
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    1. You have a very misanthropic view of people who are capable of thinking for themselves. Where is your hard evidence that people who reject the fraudulent holocaust narrative are "anti Semites" and/or "Neo Nazis"?

    According to the ADL poll I have repeatedly cited, at least 2/3 of the people around the world reject your delusional holocaustian myths. Do you really hold the misanthropic view that 2/3 of the world's population are "anti Semites" and "Neo Nazis"?
    Where have I expressed any anti Semitic or Neo Nazi sentiment?

    2. I ask the same questions repeatedly because you either cannot or will not answer them. It's not a game and it's as revealing as it is frustrating that you cannot produce any hard evidence that the Nazis ever had a genocidal agenda to kill off all of Europe's Jews. Where is it?

    - Why did Hitler allow 150,000 Jews in his military and reward many of them with Germany's highest honors if he hated Jews and wanted to kill all of them?

    3. Was Copernicus a "liar and fraudster" when he wrote that the earth and other planets orbited the sun?

    Why do holocaustians have such a virulent hatred for people who are capable of critical thinking?
     
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    The photo is of a pile of smoldering bodies, not ash, bones and teeth.

    Oven cremation is only possible with at least 200 pounds of fuel per body. and still bones and teeth remain. Open air cremation which is less efficient requires even more fuel.

    Meanwhile, there are no large mass graves at any of the work camps.


    "Auschwitz Was NOT a 'Death Camp' - Holocaust Survivor Testimony"
    https://archive.org/details/AuschwitzWasNotAdeathCamp-HolocaustSurvivorTestimony

    EXCERPT "Investigations of physical evidence and original documentation, however, have cast doubts on the Holocaust narrative that has been formed. For example, areas claimed to be mass graves, have been found with modern investigative technology to contain no human remains. Testimonies of accused perpetrators show evidence of outright fabrication, or were obtained through torture. Many of the supposed eyewitnesses have provided stories riddled by inconsistencies, describe physically impossible events, or were even total frauds who were never actually in the camps." CONTINUED



    “Treblinka: Revealing the hidden graves of the Holocaust”
    https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-16657363

    EXCERPT “Despite this, in a later statement they said they had discovered no mass graves.

    The existence of mass graves was known about from witness testimony, but the failure to provide persuasive physical evidence led some to question whether it could really be true that hundreds of thousands of Jews were killed here.” CONTINUED
     
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    Do you believe the open-air cremation in Dresden failed?

    You don't know the ovens at Auschwitz, that were designed for high-speed cremation of multiple bodies at once. We had this topic before. Did you forget everything? Why I don't wonder about your memory gaps? :D

    But there are mass graves at some former death camps and also at the killing sites in Nazi-occupied Eastern Europe, where the SS bastards committed a Holocaust by bullets.
     
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    I never said anything about people who are thinking for themselves.

    For whom do HC deniers think? For Adolph Hitler's honor? For a fourth Reich? For the complete and traceless destruction of the Jews? Please tell me ...


    One has only to read/hear a few statements of a fighting HC denier to decide whether he's neo-Nazi, anti-Semite or both. They all claim to be only doubters but that's a shameless lie.

    For example: Jazz is neo-Nazi, Kokomojo is a hardcore anti-Semite.
    Just read their postings. You'll come to the same conclusion if you're open-minded.
    You don't have to answer if you won't insult them. :)
     
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    For one, their leaders tell them to hate. Remember the Russian Jew, Ilya Ehrenburg?
    Here is that famous quote from him:
    “Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil. Stamp out the fascist beast once and for all in its lair! Use force and break the racial pride of these German women. Take them as your lawful booty. Kill! As you storm forward. Kill! You gallant soldiers of the Red army.”

    http://www.revisionist.net/human-loot.html


    And then there was Menachem Begin: "There is not one German who has not murdered our fathers. Every German is a Nazi. Every German is a murderer."

    Thus speakest he, who himself is the worst murderer.

    Commandos of the Irgun (headed by Menachem Begin) and the Stern Gang attacked Deir Yassin, a village with about 750 Palestinian residents. No mercy was shown to those poor Palestinians.

    Menachem Begin also 'backed plot to kill German Chancellor'

    The parcel bomb was supposed to be an appeal "to shake the conscience of the world".
    Begin contributed $1,000 (£540) to the operation and even offered to sell his gold watch to cover the costs.

    His hatred for the Germans apparently stems from the loss of family members in the Holocaust.

    Read the astounding story here:
    https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/26715
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    Hitler should have slowed down and done some deep thinking first, instead of antagonizing
    everybody!
     
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    Thanks for the honor, but I am too old for these snot-nosed Neo-Nazis.
    A real Nazi is compassionate, honest and upright, like Hitler was and my parents. Mom and Dad were both devoted believers in Hitler. He gave them dignity and honor by valuing their labour. They hoped to one day be able to afford their own house!! By war's end they had saved the required 10 000 Marks, but then it was too late... Germany lay in ruins and Hitler was dead.

    I left Germany 10 years later. Now, in my old age, as I have time and a computer, I have become interested in WWII, which I lived through as a child. I cannot believe all the evil they accuse us of, because I saw and heard none of that.

    I detest Anti-Fascists and "Nestbeschmutzer", like you are one. There is no honesty in those people! You, I believe, are here to denounce and rat on decent people.

    Right now, at the side, I am reading the book "After the Reich", the brutal history of the allied occupation.
    What have we Germans done to be treated with such unspeakable brutality?
    We lost the war and were without protection!
     
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