The predicted bloodshed is coming

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  1. Distraff

    Distraff Well-Known Member

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    As you pointed out, we are only testing the obviously sick people. So its not surprising that so many of the people who were tested, and are part of the official figure die. If you include the people who get it as bad as the cold and get better, this death rate is certain to be lower than 1%, probably more like .5%, or maybe even less. Is a fraction of a percent worth destroying our economy for?
     
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  2. Rugglestx

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    What utter bullshit.
     
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  3. One Mind

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    Perhaps his predictions helped to set policy to slow down the spread as well as potentially keeping the death toll lower.

    Sometimes fear is a good thing and it motivates optimum survival of our species.

    Fear is very important in our survival. That is the purpose of it.

    But you can thump your gorilla chest and dare this virus to take your life and be a real man. Removing the genes you carry. Lol
     
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    More fear mongering... You're talking about a 0.005% infection rate and a 0.00012% death rate... There's nothing to be afraid of.
     
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    Me too. Named my firstborn after a Alamo defender.
     
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    I'm absorbing them just fine... I'm just not going to become irrationally afraid of a 0.005% infection rate and a 0.00012% death rate...
     
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    ...more fear mongering... The media would be quite happy with you.
     
  9. One Mind

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    We just have to look at Italy and Spain and considet the flu has never created what this novel virus has created .

    For if the flu had caused what we see today it would have made world news.

    There is truth revealed without stats and reality tends to do that .

    Weird that those who question stats ignore what this virus is doing to Healthcare in places like italy and spain . And this is where the rubber meets the road .

    China may have 21 million dead either that or 21 million stopped using their cell phones.

    China can be trusted except for 2 small areas. ..words and deeds.
     
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    Would also help if he would actually make use of the ventilators that he has stockpiled up.
     
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    How many? A specific number.
     
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    Where did you get these numbers? Please link your source of anyone predicting the above rates.
     
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    Who knows how many cases there actually have been... I'm sure that plenty of people either contracted it and were asymptomatic or else contracted it, had mild symptoms, and just treated it with OTC meds and went on with their lives without ever getting tested.
     
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    Those rates are not predictions. Those rates are actual, according to the numbers reported today. I got them from making use of mathematics.
     
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    So you admit you're pulling it out of your ass?

    .005 infection rate in the us? Thats 16k people
    0.00012% of the US population, that's 384 people.

    I swear I am losing IQ points reading the **** you guys are posting.
     
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    Rugglestx said that there are a lot more than 102,000 cases (he is correct). You asked for a precise number of how many cases there actually are. Since these people beyond the "confirmed" number of 102K haven't been tested, we have no clue how many people have contracted COVID-19 in actuality (same with the common flu or any other mild disease that can be treated OTC).

    His point (and he is correct about that too) is that because of that, the death rate in actuality is much lower than what is being reported. Same goes for the common flu (or any other mild disease that can be treated OTC). For example, 400/1,000 is going to be a much higher death rate than 400/10,000... (40% compared to 4%)

    Yup, and that's roughly how many people were "confirmed" infected today and that's how many people died today. That's the point being made.

    Believe me. I feel the same way about you, thinking that a 0.005% infection rate and a 0.00012% death rate are rates to freak out about.
     
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    Food stores must remain open and here when I live you get curb service at restaurants to avoid crowds in small spaces.

    No I am saying if you want to murder old people get infected and visit them often exposing them to the virus.

    You know like we did with the mandan indian tribe using smallpox.
     
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    No, this is inaccurate , that's how many people were tested in the last three to four days and just today getting the results and how many died today.

    .000012% is a daily death toll, and that is misleading.

    384 out of 16,000 is a 2.4 Death ratio

    Let me put in simply 0.005% infection rate and a 0.00012% death rate is 2.4 fatality rate
     
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    FWIW, 35 million Americans have contracted the flu this season, about 500 thousand of them have required hospitalization, and about 35 thousand have died from it. With Covid19 about 100 thousand have contracted it, and around 1700 have died. I couldn't find hospitalization numbers for Covid19. But suffice it to say that the flu is 30-300 times more punishing than Covid19 to Americans so far. Also taking up far more beds, ventilators, intubations, masks, gowns, man power, etc than Covid19.
     
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    For clarity, is a 2.4% death rate.
     
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    There's nothing inaccurate about that... Let's even say that 20,000 people are becoming infected each day... that would be a 0.006% infection rate. I'm not gonna freak out about that either...

    But yes, if you take deaths over "confirmed" cases, then yes, 384/16000 would be a 2.4% death rate with regard to "confirmed" cases. That rate, in reality, is much lower, since there are much more than 16,000 cases per day (as many of them go unreported as many of those cases are asymptomatic or rather mild symptoms and treated OTC). I've (symptomatically) had the flu twice over the last 10-15 years and I didn't get tested either time. I just stayed at home and rested and took OTC meds until I felt better again.
     
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    You're kidding, right? Are you not aware of what's happening to the economy right now? It's not an "impending meltdown". It's melting down right now, in front of us.
     
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    We're going to have to have the capacity to test millions of people a day before we start lifting the restrictions. We also will need to become very intrusive to monitor people. Americans are not going to be comfortable sacrificing that much privacy. That will be a whole nother legislative battle.
     
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    No, I think there could be a few cases of violence committed against people from certain states, wearing something like a Giants hat, etc. It would make the news and seem like a lot of violence, but statistically, it won't be significant.

    I don't think there would be bloodshed if we shutdown for too long. They would just declare martial law and that would be the end of that. People would stay locked down. There's no militia or gun nut who's actually going to gun down a national guardsman/soldier if they're simply trying to enforce a quarantine/lock-down order that was legally ordered.
     

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