Yes, Blame China for the Virus

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  1. doombug

    doombug Well-Known Member

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    Well, securing the US border to keep dangerous people out is darn good reason. Why should Americans be the victims of illegal alien criminals just so companies can have cheap labor?
     
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    https://nationalfile.com/flashback-...chinese-coronavirus-travel-ban-as-xenophobia/



    How about quote Biden saying he SUPPORTED them?
     
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    I meant exactly what i said and gave you the timeline of the Chinese attempts to cover it up and how WHO stood in lock step with them, end of story.
     
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    Oh good lord. Look something up for a change yourself.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51364382
    On 30 December he sent a message to fellow doctors in a chat group warning them about the outbreak and advising they wear protective clothing to avoid infection.
     
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    Nope.
    You sourced that they did not know by lack of evidence. That's not the same as they knew, but lied about it. And I told you that in the previous post as well.

    You chose to ignore that and just go on and parrot the fake news from people with a grudge against ethnic Chinese.

    That's incorrect. Trump said he had a hunch it wouldn't be so bad when the WHO said it would be 3,4% mortality rate... not the UN. He lied.
    He claimed it would vanish by the warmer weather in march. Not going to happen. He lied. He claimed the goal was to open it up by Easter as we near the end of the historic battle. He lied. The battle is just beginning not ending. The goal is totally unrealistic. Period.
     
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    THIS STORY IS GRIM, BUT IT ALSO DISCLOSES THAT FRANCE IS CHEATING ON ITS NUMBERS: Coronavirus: The grim crisis in Europe’s care homes.

    “More than a third of care homes in the Paris region alone are thought to have been affected by coronavirus. But while hospital deaths are recorded in the daily toll of coronavirus, deaths in care homes are not. . . . Few of the cases in France’s retirement homes are ever tested for the virus, once an initial outbreak has been confirmed. But day after day, stories are emerging of double-digit death tolls inside these institutions, now virtually shuttered from the outside world.”​

    Well, maybe not cheating, exactly:

    “France is launching a new app to count coronavirus cases inside care homes, and include them in its national totals. France’s most senior health official has said that numbers could spiral as a result.”​
     
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    He's complaining about Trump being xenophobic while talking the travel the travel restrictions.

    The day they were issued

    "We have right now a crisis with the coronavirus emanating from China a national emergency, and, you know, worldwide alerts. The American people need to have a president who they can trust what he says about it; that he is going to act rationally about it. And moments like this, this is where credibility of a president is most needed as he explains what we should and should not do. This is no time for Donald Trump’s record of hysteria, xenophobia — hysterical xenophobia — and fear-mongering to lead the way instead of science."

    What do you think he was talking about? Where did he ever say he fully supported them?

    And in Europe

    Europe blindsided by Trump’s travel restrictions, with many seeing political motive
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...a279d0-6412-11ea-8a8e-5c5336b32760_story.html
     
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    The above is completely devoid of logic. China didn't just lie to the world, they gave false, misleading information at a crucial time. They jailed doctors who tried to do the right thing. The President closed the borders to China fairly early on and the idiotic left called him a racist for it.
     
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    LAURENCE JARVIK: The secrecy and deception surrounding the spread of the worldwide Coronavirus pandemic started with Chinese Communist Party lies followed by World Health Organization's eagerness to proclaim their lies as "medical facts".

    It's the end result of a deceptive philosophy based in falsehoods and propaganda to keep its people and the rest of the world out of the loop.

    The behavior of China's silence related to the Coronavirus is the pattern in totalitarian communist regimes.

    Everything bad that happens inside communist countries is a State Secret. The survival and proliferation of the system requires it.

    What happened is just another end result of Communism. How many more are going to die as a result of the usual internal secrecy under Communist rule?

    The sympathy of WHO bureaucracts toward communist regimes has been clear for years. Therefore, I am not surprised by their recent collaboration with China. Unfortunately, the WHO is now part of the Chinese Communist life-support system. U.S. taxpayer dollars are given to that institution, clearly, without adequate oversight.
     
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    He wasn't the only one threatened stop defending China and WHO.
     
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    Lol...he didn't lie. There was less known then than now. He was being optimistic...trying to keep the country calm while the experts sorted through REAL lies and misinformation from China. He is trying to limit the chances of real, permanent social disorder but being optimistic when possible but transparent with bad news when neccessary.
     
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    Your logic is really....amazing. Even taking everything you said is true about China it’s, even worse
     
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    That doesn’t say that’s when he learned...it’s when he let people know.
    What happened to him by the way?
     
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    Concerns Grow Over Wuhan Doctor Amid Call For Return to Work

    Whistleblowing Wuhan doctor Ai Fen is currently incommunicado, believed detained after giving media interviews about her initial concerns over the coronavirus, according to an Australian media report.

    "Just two weeks ago the head of Emergency at Wuhan Central Hospital went public, saying authorities had stopped her and her colleagues from warning the world," flagship investigative show 60 Minutes Australia reported on Sunday.

    "She has now disappeared, her whereabouts unknown," the show reported, also tweeting photos of Ai......

    Ai was earlier given a stern reprimand after sending information about the early stages of the outbreak to a group of doctors, she wrote in a now-deleted essay published in China's People (Renwu) magazine.

    Titled "The one who supplied the whistle," the article described how Ai had been silenced by her bosses after she took a photo of a patient's test results and circled the words "SARS coronavirus" in red.

    She alerted colleagues to several cases of the virus, and eight of them were summoned by police for sharing the information. Among them was opthalmologist Li Wenliang who later died of COVID-19."

    https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/concerns-03302020150737.html

    But no let's blame Trump instead.
     
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    The Coronavirus Is Becoming A Public Relations Disaster For Lying China.

    Evidence came today in the form of two BBC reports, one of the U.K. government of Boris Johnson (who has COVID-19 now) saying there would be ramifications for China failing to share how they stopped the virus from spreading. One such punishment was getting rid of Huawei in their 5G program.​

    Over the weekend, the Daily Mail reported that the Johnson team doubted China’s SARS-CoV-2 infection count, which totals around 81,000, saying they were probably off by a factor of 40.​

    The wide spreading disease throughout Europe is turning people off to China in leadership positions who, only a few months ago, were fine with Beijing and thought the U.S. trade war with China was just Trump being Trump.​

    It’s almost as though Trump was right about China all along.
     
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    Give up. The assertion was that Biden called Trump racist for imposing travel restrictions. That didn’t happen.
    He did caution against Trump returning to his record of xenophobia while talking about the corona virus, but he did not say travel restrictions were racist.


    He acknowledged they might be useful. He said travel restrictions might slow but they would not stop the spread of the virus so more steps (in addition to travel restrictions) would be necessary. He was right, and if he had been president there is every reason to believe he would have taken steps earlier than Trump did.

    The bottom line is that, like Trump, the RW echo chamber and Trump’s supporters take one or two facts and cook them up into a lie. Yes, Biden used the word xenophobia. He also spoke about the response to the corona virus. But he did NOT say Trump’s travel restrictions were racist.

    Even though I have pointed this out on several threads, it will not prevent PINO supporters from repeating that lie as if it were true.
     
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    A lot of people here are angry because of how the government managed the crisis.
     
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    And I showed you that they contacted the WHO in 24 hours after the doctor reported this to his own authorities.
    Your source is not denying this, hence it's incomplete to give you a fake impression. fake American news for political gains.
    My source is Arab and has zero interest in rape the reality.
    End of story.
     
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    Jail? They gave that doctor a fine for causing a panic, not for telling the truth. Fake news much?

    The doctor reported it, China reported it the very next day to the WHO. That all was in the end of december.
    China than analysed the virus. It took them 1 week to know that it wasn't SARS or MERS but a totally new thing.
    It took an other 2 weeks to find out it was contagious from man to man. At that point, they closed down Wuhan.
    We all know this. There no was false or misleading information at any crucial time!

    That is just fake GOP news. The GOP lied to the US with, we only got 22 dead people the flu causes 10.000's every year... and to think about how small the danger is of covid. They lied to you in your face! The governors closed down their states in order to prevent deaths ranging in the millions! Donald didn't do that. The governors did! Now we're going to face "just" 100,000 to 240,000 thanks to the actions of the governors. Donald is just lying around to blame is total incompetence on foreigners. And you bet, there is racism involved from the right.
     
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    Trump tweeted on march 9 that the flu causes up to 90.000 deaths a year, and the US had 22 die from corona, and we had to think about how little of a problem Corona actually is. He lied to you. At mach 9,... they were dropping dead all over Italy and China. We all knew that. He is saying that it's a possible 220,000 now instead of 22, buddy. That's no mistake to be that far off. That's a flat out lie. No Chinese government made him lie like that.

    There are no lies from China. That is Donald lying around again.... to blame his "mistake" of totally downplaying everything for months on foreigners. Typical right wing to blame your own f* ups on foreigners.
     
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    Yes he set a warning..it wasn't discovered on the 30th...thanks for highlighting you were incorrect.
     
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    What logic? These are the facts.
    I sourced it from an Arab source who has no interest in anything if China lied or did not to the US.
    So sorry... that the facts don't line up with the GOP political agenda to blame the non white foreigners.

    Do note.. Donald tweeted on march 9 that only 22 people died, compared to your average flu taking up to 90.000 people dead a year. We asked us to think about how insignificant that number 22 is compared to 90.000. His own aides think it's going to around 220,000 people dead when we comply to the shutdowns the governors have been placed. Indeed. Governors did that. Donald does nothing. His assumption was dead and dead wrong. Fake news. And now he's lying that he didn't knew it was bad. Do note.. march 9, people were dying like flies in Italy. We all know that. Donald lies all the time. Get over it.

    That's not in the hands of the Chinese government when some individual does something on his own responsibility.
    And you're accusing the Chinese government of covering things up.
    And you're free to prove when that doctor knew things.
     
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    I see the Chinese puppet is back at it hard today.

    Experts disagree...and this is gonna have a long lasting impact on your Communist Party's future: Folks aren't going to forget how the
    Socialist in China lied about the Chinese virus

    https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/0...virus-could-impact-u-s-business-ties-experts/


    https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrap...ic-relations-disaster-for-china/#3d981c7743f2
     
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    That's all I needed to read...you are right...you aren't using any logic.
     

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