Tracking the COVID-19-Virus in Germany, the USA, Italy and other hot spots in the world

It is just a flu. It is a variant of SARS. Hope you stay healthy too!

 

According to the link I provided states that Dr. Ricciardi is indeed reclassifying the cause of death. People die from and with Corona virus. Dr. Ricciardi is attempting to make that distinction.

 

A couple of snippets from Bloomberg News....







Some good news...



https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...eak-e2-80-99s-extent-virus-update/ar-BB11YCVs

 

I saw someone on the news talking about viral dose and how it can affect people. The lower viral dose/load, the greater chance one's immune system will win out, assuming one isn't severely immune compromised. That doesn't mean, however, that they are not infectious.

We all have immune systems of varying quality/strength, so all have a limit of what we can fight off. Some have next to none and even a small viral dose can kill. Even those with excellent immune systems have a limit, too, and that I suspect is why we see younger, healthier individuals get really ill from this or even die. Doctors and nurses are dying, too and no wonder as they are getting up close and personal with this virus daily.

 

My response there was not trolling. That was me forming a valid counterargument in the form of noting a logical fallacy that one has committed. The presence of a logical fallacy in an argument renders that particular argument to be invalid, akin to making a math error.

Your "information" does not apply to me.

 

I also do not expect to die from the virus. The point is not that a small percent will die, or that anyone is being cautious for their own sake. The point is how quickly other people are about to die. Our hospitals cannot take double the annual death rate in 2-3 months. We're trying to not need to pile up stacks of body bags outside hospitals and we're trying to not have to let someone die of a heart attack or stroke because the doctors are swamped with virus cases.

We're trying to stop a cyclone of death sweeping through, killing many thousands of people all in one swoop. It's about taking care of other people. By not getting the virus, we can't spread the virus to the vulnerable.

 

Strike 2. One more to go!!

 

BINGO.

That's the entire monty, right there.

 

No they aren't. Give it a short while and life will be back to normal. You are obsessing over a flu.

 

Precisely right!

 

SARS is not the flu.

 

This is objectively more lethal and spreads objectively easier than the flu.

But you think this will resolve in "a short while?" What's your estimate? When will things return to normal?

 

Completely agree. It’s important for healthy people to be careful not to expose those who have preconditions to possible infection. And part of that careful action is to clearly understand what those conditions are and who those people are in the sphere of contact. Granularity of data is necessary which is what the Italians are doing.

People are dying regardless of how the cause of death is classified.

 

Why be scared of COVID-19 when I can be scared of a "strike-o-meter" instead...

 

There is no "the flu". There are many flus. SARS is one of many.

 

Probably sometime during May.

According to the CDC, it looks like the infection rate might already be slowing down.

 

Disagreement = trolling in some alternate worlds.

 

It may be slowing down because people are reacting to the CDC guidelines by engaging in social distancing, staying at home, shutting down schools, and closing all non-essential businesses.

That's one of the idiotic aspects of this type of "don't worry about the virus" lines of thought. People will eventually look back at this time and think, "See, it wasn't that bad because the numbers were merely X" while completely ignoring all of the dire warnings and draconian measures taken solely to keep the numbers merely at X.

 

I live in Florida and the covid19 cases are not slowing down. It makes me wonder why the countries of the people on board were not stepping up and eager to get their own people home. The abuse the state and the governor got was purely political. Our state did take them off the ship that was more than anyone else did.

 

Sometime in May, huh? So...five-eight weeks of intense epidemic control measures is enough to justify your theory that this was all overblown.

 

Disagreement = trolling.

 

Ok, France has once again reported over 1,000 COVID-19 deaths. I am aware that yesterday, a disclaimer was published that a number of those deaths were earlier deaths in retirement homes and the like that were just included in the statistics and that may be the case again today. Nonetheless, all of these people have died of COVID-19, which is terrible enough, regardless of exactly which day they died. Look:



In the fullness of time, that detail will be sorted out, but reality is that France, like Spain, Italy and now, the USA, has suffered horribly from the COVID-19 catastrophe.

 

People are of the attitude it won't happen to me and the people who live to tell about it will not think the dire warning and draconian measures were strong enough.

 

I'm really happy you are on this thread. Welcome!

The reason is that it is actually less dangerous to move the ENTIRE complement of people off the boat to a place where they all can go into isolation, so that the ones who test positive can be sorted out and treated. Every minute that so many people are stuck on a ship increases the chances of infection until they are all practically infected.

The Gov. of Florida got DESERVED fire because at first he was only willing to let the Floridians off the boat, leaving other Americans and many Canadians (our staunchest allies) on the boat. It was an incredibly stupid move. Plain old stupid. And unbelievably partisan. Why the hell should anyone help Florida when DeSantis treats non-Floridians this way? Have you taken even one moment to consider that?

 

That's the thing about the naysayers - if the plan works and millions do not die, they will all say it was a hoax. If the plan doesn't work and millions die, then many naysayers will be among them. Quite a quandary, nööööö. Of course, we want no one to die. That's why people are working to the bone to stop the big day of dying from happening.

To be clear, and here you and I are surely in complete agreement: none of this is overblown. I have never seen a virus expand this exponentially, this fast, ever before. Nothing in our recorded history compares to this. Not the 1918 Flu, not the plagues. This is decidedly different - and this is only the 1st wave. Likely 2 more are to follow.