God vs Science: Who Wins?

Printing money is immoral because it’s based on a lie that causes economic and social collapse. That lie is that wealth can be looted before it is created. it is better known as Keynesian economics.

Ayn Rand: “The government has no source of revenue, except the taxes paid by the producers. To free itself—for a while—from the limits set by reality, the government initiates a credit con game on a scale which the private manipulator could not dream of. It borrows money from you today, which is to be repaid with money it will borrow from you tomorrow, which is to be repaid with money it will borrow from you day after tomorrow, and so on. This is known as “deficit financing.” It is made possible by the fact that the government cuts the connection between goods and money. It issues paper money, which is used as a claim check on actually existing goods—but that money is not backed by any goods, it is not backed by gold, it is backed by nothing. It is a promissory note issued to you in exchange for your goods, to be paid by you (in the form of taxes) out of your future production.”

“...the government’s account is overdrawn, that a piece of paper is not the equivalent of a gold coin, or an automobile, or a loaf of bread—and that if you attempt to falsify monetary values, you do not achieve abundance, you merely debase the currency and go bankrupt.”
http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/deficit_financing.html

If that is what we are counting on, government spending, we’re fkd.

 

In a free society, you are allowed to pray all you want. As a free man, I’m not required to. As to your mysticism, feel free, kneel before magic, I’ll kneel before a spaceship.

 

My bold. Not true, it just propogates as fast as it can. There may be collateral damage.....

 

You do not typify an American. You mock Faith and that is the virtue of American Individualism. We are all individuals in the eyes of God, who grants us our rights. Read the Declaration of Independence. Of course, being a godless, collectivist, you must see it as all rights are granted by the State. You are as American, Starjet, as MaoTseTung.
There, I brought it.

 

Reason is the virtue of the American Enlightenment. You forget to read Paine’s The Age of Reason?

Furthermore, atheism is “without belief in a deity”, not belief in Mao’s Little Red Book.

Ayn Rand (An atheist that despised every “Mao” and every form of Collectivism): “The damnation of this earth as a realm where nothing is possible to man but pain, disaster and defeat, a realm inferior to another, “higher,” reality; the damnation of all values, enjoyment, achievement and success on earth as a proof of depravity; the damnation of man’s mind as a source of pride, and the damnation of reason as a “limited,” deceptive, unreliable, impotent faculty, incapable of perceiving the “real” reality and the “true” truth; the split of man in two, setting his consciousness (his soul) against his body, and his moral values against his own interest; the damnation of man’s nature, body andself as evil; the commandment of self-sacrifice, renunciation, suffering, obedience, humility and faith, as the good; the damnation of life and the worship of death, with the promise of rewards beyond the grave—these are the necessary tenets of the [mystic’s] view of existence, as they have been in every variant of [mystical] philosophy throughout the course of mankind’s history.”

 

I am curious, what is a typical American?

 

Even Paine did not mock God. Stalin hated the very belief in God. You are more akin to Stalin then Paine. Progressives are just on the "slow boat" to Communism.

 

Guess American is typified by our Founders, Our Constitution, the fact Congress prays when it convenes, the fact our motto is "In God We Trust". The fact we swear in with a hand on the Bible, it is evident to everyone except the "revisionists" and Progressives that wants the State to dispense us our rights.

 

In this free society the government agreed not to infringe on our right not ONLY to pray, but also our RIGHT to EXERCISE OUR RELIGION. At least on paper. You were 'free' to pray and do no more under Stalin.

 

Hmmm.... do you suppose Paine was a believer of the Bible as the word of God?

 

Oh, I disagree,”—his take on Christianity and Creation is as illuminating as it is hilarious—He mocked the notion of God, Creation, and redemption in the after life as the fantasy of fools. He’s right.

 

Funny, I am in agreement with you about money.....but you have a problem here. The "State" dispenses our rights without our Creator that makes our rights "unalienable".... so the "State" can't be wrong.

 

I see, and you figure the Typical American is educated about our founders, actually know what is or isn’t in the Constitution, gives oaths by swearing on the Bible?

 

Was Paine at the Constitutional Convention?....I missed that one.

 

Our rights are not dispensed by a moral government, they are protected—the exact opposite to what is happening now—and praying won’’t save us—fidelity to reason and reality will.

 

So.....what is your take on the "Father of our Country" George Washington? He kneeled before an "invisible sky fairy"? You may mock now.

 

Whose morals? Certainly not yours! Or are you part of an elite that knows what's best for the rest of us?

 

An outstanding man stepping out of the Dark Ages into the modern age, but still carrying some Dark Age luggage.

 

That didn’t answer the question.
But aside from that, neither Paine or Jefferson attended the 1st Constitutional Convention, because of their absence do you figure they didn’t contribute to it?

 

Hmm? If you’re asking if I believe I’m the only one in the world who realizes that to solve a problem or save the world one needs to think? Well, no.

Ayn Rand: “To think is an act of choice. The key to what you so recklessly call “human nature,” the open secret you live with, yet dread to name, is the fact that man is a being of volitional consciousness. Reason does not work automatically; thinking is not a mechanical process; the connections of logic are not made by instinct. The function of your stomach, lungs or heart is automatic; the function of your mind is not. In any hour and issue of your life, you are free to think or to evade that effort. But you are not free to escape from your nature, from the fact that reason is your means of survival—so that for you, who are a human being, the question “to be or not to be” is the question “to think or not to think.”
http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/free_will.html


Leonard Peikoff: To save the world is the
simplest thing in the world.All one has to do is think.
http://www.peikoff.com/

Yaron Brook: Thinking


If your asking do I want to think for everybody else? No, I’m too selfish. Do your own thinking.

 

You have far more in common with Thomas Paine, Karl Marx, then anyone of our Founders. In Ecclesiastes, Solomon said it best....."there is nothing new under the sun, all is vanity". You have little understanding of human nature....that is why your godless governments fail. On whose morals shall we derive our framework? You find perfection in human thought and that is where you fail.

 

Paine contributed to the Revolution....but that was about it. Wonder what Paine thought about, "We are endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights"? Sure doesn't sound like him. France tried a revolution after being inspired by ours. That was more akin to the philosophy of Paine. Jefferson decided to have nothing to do with it. That revolution was void of God and resulted in numerous beheadings and no lasting peace......a result of your "great enlightenment".

 

I understand human nature perfectly—some choose to think, the rest are fools looking either to wear a yoke, or place it on others.

Ayn Rand: “That which you call your soul or spirit is your consciousness, and that which you call “free will” is your mind’s freedom to think or not, the only will you have, your only freedom, the choice that controls all the choices you make and determines your life and your character.
http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/free_will.html

And that’s the nature of being human, choosing to think.

 

The French Revolution was a betrayal of the Enlightenment, not its reaffirmation. Proof? They imprisoned Thomas Paine.

 

I have and it has been very introspective. I fail, so do others, there is something greater I aspire to. You find yourself a group of individuals that think exactly as you do, your own minds being the source, you will have success for a season, but revolution and turmoil for a future. God inspires a little greatness in most humans. That is what needs to be sought after. ...and in the end, it is God that needs to receive the acknowledgement. Not the pride of a group to your liking.