Why doesn't socialism work?

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  1. LangleyMan

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    This is a bit out of context. We have a history of allowing excessive speculation.
     
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    hellofromwarsaw Well-Known Member

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    No the GOP does. 1929 1989 2008. Every time they get 8 years.
     
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    The inequality in the United States has given us huge numbers of Walmart Dollar general family Dollar Costco etcetera etcetera etcetera. Germany and other modern socialist countries tax the rich their fair share and invest in cheap college and training so they get the good jobs globalism offers. Thanks g o p!
     
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    Another ridiculous conspiracy. The Democratic voters wanted Biden over Sanders. End of story same with Hillary before. And no Hillary and Biden are also progressives. The word socialism is pure poison in America and the UK and Canada and Australia New Zealand. They think it is communism.non English-speaking countries have had socialist and communist parties since the twenties and they know the difference and they picked socialism. Why are we the only country in the modern world without living wage health Care daycare paid parental leave cheap college and training great infrastructure and vacations and mainly taxing the rich? Snap out of it!
     
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    Not every time, but too often. Eisenhower wasn't irresponsible.
     
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    He also wasn't a Republican LOL
     
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    Huh?? He ran and won twice on the Republican ticket.
     
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    He was an independent who was wanted by both Republicans and Democrats. He should have run as a Democrat LOL. he warned about Republicans and the military industrial complex...
     
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    He was a Republican. That is just historical fact.
    He served under Democrats, and assumed the Republicans just had to be better.
    When did he warn about Republicans??? To be fair, Eisenhower Republicanism was a damn sight better than what came later, starting with Nixon.
     
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    Define excessive.
     
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    How have they screwed you and please be specific. Why did you let them do it? What rights of yours have the abrogated?
     
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    Who do you think does more training that any, the private sector. You really don't think college tuitions are high enough? And how much of the federal tax burden should be theirs, what percentage?

    You want to earn more money then go earn it and invest, make your labor more valuable, be ready to take risk and then you can move up as much as you want. You have no right to be economically equal with anyone.
     
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    And especially with Reagan and this mess of inequality and disgraceful propaganda.
     
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    The GOP has made college and training much more expensive and ruined the middle class and our infrastructure the last 35 years. People did not magically get stupid and lazy no matter what you people believe. They also refused a living wage health Care daycare paid parental leave infrastructure and vacations that every other modern country has. They have everything that Bernie and AOC want in Canada for crying out loud. It's not that scary! Poor America.....
     
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    How and be specific.

    The middle class does better under Republican policies as we saw mid to late 1990's, mid 2000's and the last 5 years. How did they do better under Democrat policies and when?


    How and be specific, Obama's infrastructure stimulus was a bust.

    Pay people not to work and lots of people won't work, simple human nature.
     
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    He was.
     
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    He had never done anything political before he chose which party to run for president on. He ran as a republican to get rid of Taft and those isolationist idiot Republicans..... He listened too much to the Dulles Brothers the swine.
     
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    Everyone wants a good job.the hopelessness comes from bad GOP jobs and ridiculously expensive college and training. This is a scumbag GOP society we have now. Your propaganda machine is a disgrace.
     
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    As long as we have a top tax rate less than 50% this will be a unequal screwed up GOP society. Record inequality and horrible upward mobility. Google the demise of the middle class fact left- and you will see that this happened since Reagan. For years the savings rate was 7% now it is -7 per cent people are living on credit to have the American dream.
     
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    By requiring me to pay them for what government, the community and nature provided.
    Government helped them, taking the side of greed, privilege, injustice and evil against liberty, justice and truth. That is kinda the point.
    My right to liberty.
     
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    What happened in the late 1920s and early 2000s.
     
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    And the 1980s
     
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    He was heavily involved in international politics as the Supreme Allied Commander.
    He would have defeated Taft if he had run as a Democrat. Eisenhower was pressed by his advisors, including the Dulles Brothers, to escalate in Vietnam. He refused.
     
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    The problem in neither case was Speculation. The problem in both cases was government tinkering with things they would have been better served to have left alone. In the former world wide protective tariff which combined with the mercantilist world view in vogue at the time all but shut down world trade. In the latter it was the restructuring of salaries at the top echelons of Fannie and Freddie which rewarded them for insuring loans not making sure the loans were sound. Note both together wound up holding in excess if 400 billion in bad paper.
     
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    At least since Carter, more jobs have been created when Democrats have been president than when Republicans have been president.

    By cutting top marginal tax rates, the Republicans have forced a greater share of the tax burden on the middle class.

    Increasing income inequality is the result of taxation policy, not harder work.

    When you purchase a product, typically, the moment you step out the door, its value drops by half. That is because half of what you pay is someone else's profit. And that profit does not go to the worker who created it. Workers are cost of production.

    In those states, like California, Colorado, and Oregon, that have voter mandated requirements that the people have to vote on any issue that raises taxes or fees above a certain rate of change. These are the result of the Reagan era policy of using unfunded mandates in order to shift the cost of government from the federal government to the state governments. This forced the states to raise their taxes to pay for things they were obliged to do. And the people revolted. These are some of the more blue states. Another example of how blue equates to more of a say of the people. That and the significantly higher rate of voter participation.

    It is something that conservatives seem to miss. Something that does not square with conservative beliefs. Places like Colorado, California, Washington, and Oregon are the way they are because the people have voted them that way. It was the people who legalized marihuana, not the government. Colorado and Oregon have great library systems because the people have voted to fund and have great library systems.

    Is it "socialism" if the people want it?. I think that publicly funded schools and colleges are a good idea. Same with providing nutritional assistance to the poor, and affordable healthcare, to regulate companies so that unscrupulous venders aren't selling harmful products to unsuspecting consumers. I don't think that makes me a socialist. Rather I'm a liberal who thinks it makes sound social policy in the capitalist society we live in.
     

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