Professor Raoult Releases Results of New Hydroxychloroquine Treatment Study on 1061 Patients

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    The problem is I didn’t ask anything about case fatalities. Please provide information to back up your claim. I can present regional data that contradicts yours if you’d like.
    https://www.kpbs.org/news/2020/mar/20/why-younger-people-make-significant-portion-us-cov/

    I’m looking for you to back up your claim the study is flawed because it’s subjects don’t match the mean age of positive tests on the public.

    While your futile search for that data continues, take a little time to ponder why the study would try and match the age of its subjects to positive cases. Also think about why some of us suspect ulterior motives when arguments based on false premises are made against a study or treatment protocol. Then take some more time to consider why some of us don’t put blind faith in scientists when we see them approve of misleading information as a valid argument.
     
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    Yep

    WHO website

    WHO is running a global multi drug trial called SOLIDARITY

    https://www.who.int/emergencies/dis...darity-clinical-trial-for-covid-19-treatments

    Now I suggest you type in google scholar then the names of these drugs - I am not doing your homework for you

    Add to that list Ivermectin

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166354220302011
     
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    Please provide something substantial to back that claim.
     
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    At what dosage and over what amount of time.....
     
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    I will NEVER praise badly researched nostrums!

    You might as well take one of Alex Jones’ “cures”
     
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    Concerning to whom? To you? Apparently to the actual doctors prescribing hydroxychloroquine to actual patients, having the actual real world case in front of them, the virus is of greater concern or risk or they wouldn't prescribe the medication.

    Just what God-like power of discernment do you think you have that you can sit 10,000 miles away and judge the work of real medical professionals doing their job, ignoring even your own Queensland University study saying chloroquine is helpful? You have zero personal histories, zero medical charts; you have nothing at all except your hatred for our President - and you don't even live here.
     
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    Same WHO that said there was no evidence of human to human transmission with no research on their own?
     
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    Ahhhhh! There is the rub

    We don’t know what dose is effective against the virus. HCQ has a low threshold of toxicity before it triggers progressive blindness for a start
     
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    And yet its in use for such things as Lupus.. Are you suggesting they are all going to go blind?

    If its that dangerous why has it been in use for decades and where was the concern that entire time?

    If its sooooo dangerous why is WHO testing it as one of their 4 trials?
     
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    Very early days of the virus outbreak no-one has adequate information on transmission. As soon as data became available they amended their warnings

    But please believe the internet neckbeards who do not even know how to spell pathophysiology over actual medical personnel and scientists
     
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    If Trumps comments from Feb can still be used against him why are the "experts" off the hook? Hmm?

    Why did WHO trust the information about Covid-19 when years after the SARS outbreak China admitted they lied?
     
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    Yes in low dosages. But it is the use in Lupus and other autoimmune disorders that has provided the data about progressive blindness

    The dose for malaria is a weekly dose
     
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    Because Trump was informed by Feb and did NOTHING - check your timelines
     
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    I did

    About five posts ago
     
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    Feb 29th Fauci said there was nothing to worry about....

    Are you suggesting Trump should not have listened to his experts?
     
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    No you did not. You engaged in behavior you criticize Trump and others of engaging in. You made a completely unsubstantiated claim on efficacy of treatments.

    Ironically the chloroquine protocol is one on your list...yet you claim without any evidence the others on the list are more promising. You made the claim, back it up.
     
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    Huh? In late Jan. he restricted China travel, over the objections of the WHO, China and Democrats. On 2/17, Dr. Fauci was telling us the US virus threat was miniscule and only a hypothetical, and that there was absolutely no reason for Americans to wear masks.
     
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    Irrelevant, Lupus treatment is long term, for this purpose it is short term, and virtually impossible to cause vision problems.
     
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    Hydroxychloroquine had been in use for weeks, and even discussed by the President for 2 weeks, before ivermectin was ever mentioned by the medical community as a potential therapy.

    As of a few days ago, I already linked it for you, Ivermectin had not been used in any patient treatment. Even if it had, and even if the President touted it, then how exactly would that be any different from his touting hydroxychloroquine? There are no randomized, double-blind, peer reviewed, reports on Ivermectin so why are you pushing it? There's not even field trials or anecdotal evidence that it works. So why are you pushing it? Because Trump didn't and you're against hydroxychloroquine because Trump mentioned it. Yet you're not against putting patients on ventilators without the same level of peer-reviewed studies even though now, in the actual work of actual doctors, questions are being raised about both the efficacy and safety of using ventilators.
     
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    I did now it is early hours of the morning here and I am going to bed so if you want me to do this research, which would be for YOUR benefit not mine since I have already been reading the BMJ and Dynamed sites, you will have to wait until I get back from work tomorrow

    Meantime try using google scholar like I did - the research is not hard to find
     
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    LOL Your link states that 60% are over 54 years old! And that just backs up what I posted
     
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    And, even in Lupus treatment, the risk of blindness is far lower than the benefit of the medication or it wouldn't be used. I think bowerbird is getting her drug information from drugs.com rather than from any legitimate medical study or from doctors who are treating actual patients.
     
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    I wouldn't. The risks of needing hospital treatment if I got the disease and not taking anything is lower than taking a drug that has not had full clinical trials. Strange that many of these people promoting this drug are the same people who not long ago were saying that millions of people got the virus and did not even know they had it
     
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    Well it actually says that more than half were older than 50. The sample in the study had a mean age of 43.6.
     

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