Marijuana should be illegal !!!

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  1. Thedimon

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    It worked with cigarette smoking - the number of smokers among young people is very small compared to earlier periods.
     
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    Correct you are. Smoking is looking more and more less attractive to young people. Gone are the days of "Marlboro Man". The "New marlboro Man" has a boyfriend and smokes pot!
     
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    Yeah and Sitting Bull did some 'shrooms or Peyote and told his Ghost Dancers the Armies bullets would not harm them!
     
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    So you agree - a substance can be legal and there are ways to discourage young people from using it.

    I think a day will come when weed and booze are treated as equals - both will be consumed at social gatherings, there will be no stigma and stereotypes about it.
    Claims that legalizing pot will result in kids consuming more are invalidated by successes in prevention of tobacco consumption among youngsters.
    Claims that more people will drive high are invalidated by real world examples from countries and regions where pot has been legal for some time.

    So, there is no logical reason to keep weed illegal.
     
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    To be honest, I don't know if younger people (under 18 y.o.) are smoking more or are smoking less. Also, I don't now how many of those younger people have switched from cigarettes to vaping or Juul pods.

    Do you have a credible source to support your assertion?
     
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    Im not going on a wild goose chase for numbers, but I’ll tell you from my personal experience - when I moved to the US as a teenager, it shocked me that almost nobody in my high school smoked. I remember seeing studies that high school kids smoke a heck of a lot less compared to 90s, 80s, 70s, etc.
     
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    I hope you don't think that I'm attacking you for stating your opinion because that is not my intent.
    As I said, it's simply my opinion that America's cannabis laws are disproportionally harsh and cause more harm than good.

    As an old, "Scratch n' Dent" Veteran with cancer, chronic orthopedic pain, and various other maladies, I'd like to see cannabis legalized at least for medical purposes.
    Do you feel like the drug/plant is entirely useless?
     
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    Do you think that it's possible that school kids have simply switched from smoking cigarettes to Juul pods and Vaping?
     
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    Actually you have been spreading disinformation. Pot may have "ruined" your life at some point, but not everyone has that experience. I've known several people who, once caught for wrong doing, blamed it on the booze and alcohol. I'm sure judges hear it all the time. "Your honor, I have seen the error of my ways and turned my life around. I have given up booze/drugs/whatever and have rededicated my life to the Lord Jesus Christ." It wasn't me that robbed the store, it was the drugs. It wasn't me that raped that woman, it was the drugs. It wasn't me that crashed my car and killed my friend, it was the alcohol. And on and on.

    There has never been an incidence of me having a bad experience associated with marihuana. Quite the opposite. My head is full of happy memories. But then I do have a reputation of lighting up a room with my smile.
     
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    All due respect but it seems you are comparing your situation, which I believe has been more of a casual usage of pot, to people who abuse alcohol and other drugs. I can attest, based on my mother, that long term heavy use of pot does a number on cognitive brain function. My mother has no cognitive thinking ability anymore. Not to mention how incredibly lazy and unmotivated she has become. At times talking to her is like talking to a three year old.
     
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    Both Washington and Jefferson grew cannabis on their farms. Jefferson even invented a threshing machine that broke down the hemp fibers, so that he could have his suit jackets made out of fine hemp threads. Until nylon came along, hemp was the most used material for ropes. Canvas is derived from cannabis, the original canvases having been made out of hemp. By the way, marijuana and hemp come from the same plant. Hemp from the stock, marihuana from the leaves and flowers.
     
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    AFAIK Juul pods and vapers are not stored inside padlocked cabinets as cigarettes are.
     
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    I think that generally, the campaign against cigarette smoking has had successes.
     
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    Someone with "superior intelligence", does not fall prey to partisan, arrogance and think only they can be correct.:rolleyes:
     
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    At that time vapes didn’t exist yet.
     
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    ~ Smoking anything results in cardiovascular disease, emphysema and cancer. Driving impaired on cannibis arrests have gone up since it was legalized - hence accidents will go up as well.
     
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    So again, how many people have died from pot related illnesses? How many people have been killed due to pot related impaired driving?
     
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    The problem the way I see itis that those that want it legal, glorify it!.....in the form of gummie bears and various confections. I would just like to see it go away. There is nothing productive about it. Perhaps in the beginning it never should have been illegal.....but it is. So you have to convince everyone that marijuana is good for the culture. If everyone is high there will be no more strife, kumbaya. Honestly, I do not believe America would have turned out the fighting force that upended Hitler had Marijuana been legal and glorified at the time.
     
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    YOu know....I suffer from the same maladies as you. Marijuana laws are pretty lax in most places. I understand there are cannabis products minus the THC that are beneficial. I understand some undergoing chemo finds it stimulates appetite. That is all well and good. In fact, if I felt I needed it for some health reason, I would do it regardless of the legality. I don't find that very likely. The point I want to make is recreational marijuana is not at all edifying to our culture. If you have to glorify it to make it legal.....leave it alone! Many that support legalization right here on this thread, believe all drugs should be legal for recreational use.. I would NEVER mix company with any of them. Last people on earth I would associate with.
     
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    Where did you ever here me say "Pot ruined my life?" When you get high do you make stuff up? Here is my recollection.... I had many good time while stoned. I did it with vigor. I surrounded myself with stoned individuals. After several years, I saw that things weren't changing. Even after I was a very good "grower" I came to be bored with it. Decided I would go straight for a time and when I did, it was like a new high.I still loved growing the stuff though. After awhile I started to feel the old crowd that lived to get stoned was boring and started to see the hypocrisy of growing and not partaking. A new experience with a new found faith, I took about ten pounds of grass I had processed and put it in the garbage. Could have easily sold it....but I didn't.
    Responsibility lies with the individual not the drugs. The individual decides to take the drugs (or sell them for that matter) Oliver, if you were driving a forklift at Home Depot, and you had smoked some doobies at lunch, what would you expect society should do if you dropped a load from 15 ft. in an aisle and killed some kid? If THC was in your blood, I would say capital punishment should be the mandate....and swiftly done. If marijuana was legal, would you support such rigidness....or would you prefer a slap on the wrist?
     
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    Nice little history lesson Oliver. Hemp grows wild in Indiana as residual from those days. Smoke it and you might as well smoke banana peels. Hemp was quite in demand and could be useful today as well. All the sailing ships once required hemp for not jus sails but rope as well. Sorry, it just does not give dignity to your high.
     
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    Lot of people smoking pot also smoke cigarettes Guess what product gets the blame? Right....cigarettes. Actually pot has higher tar content. Used to see it caked on the inside of my hashpipe. Perhaps we need more THC testing at crash sites. I'm sure there would be many protests.
     
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    And I would like to enlist a campaign against mind altering drugs. Problem with that?
     
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    I'm sorry about your mother ECA as I am about many of my old friends.
     
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    Right, so no one can answer how many people have died from pot related illnesses or how many people have been killed due to pot related impaired driving.
     
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