World Health Organisation supports reopening of Chinese wet markets.

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  1. notme

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    Who knows, Chris....
    Very hygienic. Butchering a piece of camel semi outside your little shop, no hand gloves. Meat not in the fridge anywhere. That's what a wet market is.The sale of fresh meat and fish. They also sell live animals in the middle east like this.

    Your claim "MERS did NOT come from a wet market" is still a hoax. In fact, China has been rather transparent where they think it came from. You can't say that about the countries who caused MERS. And that's probably due that they don't have a clue. Kuddo's to China.

    You're telling nothing new. Point still stands that the CDC is concerned it can cause a pandemic. It's a risk we're taking.

    Can't rule it out. And when China has 1/4 of the world population means 1/4 of all the risk is there, hence it happens there more often. Something you refuse to take into account.

    When it's a fact that you're covering it up while people are pointing the finger at you... than it's up to you to prove your innocence or undo the cover up.

    You got 1 expert that only goes as far that it might be China. That's not proving jack.
    I got 2 historians and a 1 professor that knows his viruses, debunking that "might be".

    This is about China being transparent. You came up with that doctor. And I noted that China still notified the world about a possible new virus the next day. So you know... you're just distracting away with that doctor after failing to prove your point.
     
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    That doesn't look like a LIVE camel to me! The Wuhan market is a LIVE animal market.

    Source that "the countries who caused MERS" were NOT transparent.

    The same risk as Chinese wet markets?

    What do you mean "tweak around it?"

    Hence why China should have more controls than less populated countries, even BEFORE two pandemics came from there!

    What do you mean "undo" the cover up?

    You very conveniently forgot this:

    This professor found evidence against it coming from China, not evidence FOR it coming from the US! Not to mention, that the exact same guy DEBUNKED the USELESS historians who said that it came from Kansas! You're totally confused! :roflol:You can see for yourself, from your OWN original source which I'm now using to utterly DESTROY you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu#United_States


    China obviously knew that there was no possible way that they were going to be able to cover something like this up, so yes, they worked with the world. However, you still haven't been able to come up with a logical reason why they arrested the doctor! What happened to your "panic" argument? Perhaps you know that it is ILLOGICAL and have given up on it!:roflol:
     
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    We're talking about a wet market. You're being dishonest. And they sell live animals in the middle east at markets too. Get over it.

    You claimed it did not come from a wet market, to than admit you created a hoax and got no clue where it came from. And now I need to prove to you that indeed they do not have a clue, while you already had to admit to that? I'll be declining that troll question.

    Look it up yourself and come back with an argument. So far my argument stands that people are accepting to be at the center of a possible new pandemic. So it shouldn't be any different than having a wet market. The US also opens up their borders to countries with wet markets, and so accepting the risks.

    If you don't understand a word.... pick up a dictionary.
    https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/tweak

    That's demanding double standards, for just living in a country with more people.

    If you don't understand a word.... pick up a dictionary.
    https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/undo


    There is nothing lied about a professor pointing at the US, besides 2 historians and that the US covered it all up. It's not as if scientists are able to prove anything, when the US government covered it all up. It's a fact that the US government covered it up. The US government therefor is guilty of that cover up and they need to prove that the virus did not come from the US.

    You're assuming they would cover it up. And the fact is, they were exceptionally fast with notifying the world. It took 24 hours tops from the Chinese doctor notifying colleagues to the Chinese government notifying the world. Very efficient even. Very transparent. The arrest of that doctor played no roll is disrupting that process one bit. Dunno why you keep bringing it up. Nothing was covered up. Americans have no rights to claim there was a cover up, when they covered up the Spanish flu. That's just the GOP trying to pass the buck for doing a terrible job.
     
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    As much or as little as american capitalism. It is for their people do decide.....
     
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    What is wrong with American capitalism?
     
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    Not camels.

    You said that the countries which caused MERS were not transparent, yet you are totally unable to source it! :roflol:

    Well Chinese wet markets clearly ARE a bigger risk of a pandemic than anything else given that there have been TWO!

    I didn't ask what the definition of the word "tweak" is, I asked what you mean by "tweak around it?"

    It's weird that you seem to think that all countries should do exactly the same thing. :roflol:

    I didn't ask what the definition of the word "undo" is, I asked what you meant by "undo the cover up." How do you suggest the US does that?

    Is English your first language? That sentence doesn't make sense - sorry.

    Okay, so you STILL have no suggestion for why the doctor was arrested. What happened to your "panic" argument? Perhaps you know that it is ILLOGICAL and have given up on it!:roflol:
     
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    :confuse:´ ~ The latest PR ( BS ) from China : "There are no wet markets in China " :fishing:
     
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    selfishness, second to none,
    reg.
     
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    Neah. Camels aint sold. They just end up at the butcher by pure magic. lol

    yeah wel duh that it can't be sourced. I MADE YOU ADMIT that you do not got a clue if MERS came or did not came from a wet market.

    source this


    Dude. Is English your first language? Apply basic English. Geez.

    It's weird to think there must be double standards.

    just do it.

    You repeated that it's only 2 historians, while there is also a professor who knows them viruses in the mix. They all point at the US. The US who covered it up. It's a FACT that the US did that. Nothing has been debunked for the US. Hence they did it, until they can undo their own cover up. While China got debunked. We all know this.

    I'm just sticking to: YOU brought it up, and it's not relevant to the point that China reported the very next day that this doctor send his message alerting colleagues.
     
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    Not what I said. You said "they sell live animals in the middle east at markets too." And I said that they don't sell live camels. Get it right!

    Then why did you say the below?

    No experts have made a link between MERS and a wet market whereas they most certainly HAVE with SARS1 and SARS2. :roflol:

    The simple FACT that there have now been two! SARS1 and SARS2

    "Teak around it" just doesn't mean anything without giving context.

    It's not double standards for different countries to do different things, given that all countries are - wait for it... DIFFERENT! :roflol:

    How are you suggesting that the US 'undoes' it?

    Are you saying that there is a professor who claims that it started in the US?
    Is this evolutionary biology professor Michael Worobey? If so, then you're completely wrong. He only determined that it did NOT start in the US!

    Correct, by evolutionary biology professor Michael Worobey, who also debunked the idea that it started in the US! Time to give up! :roflol:

    If you had a source that it was "the very next day" you would have cited it by now! :roflol:
     
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    How so?

    What's that?
     
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    Dude... it goes from this:
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    Get over it. That's all a wet market.


    You claimed MERS did not come from a wet market. I MADE YOU retract that and had to accept it indeed could come form a wet market. Period.

    I sourced what that word means. Not my fault your English is not good enough.

    If you insist that different countries must have different rules on the same subject like wet markets, than indeed you demand double standards.

    They got smart people. It's up to them.

    Worobey only said it did not come from Kansas. He still is pointing the finger at the US.
    It was Worobey who proved it did NOT come from China.
    Nobody debunked the pointing at the US. The US who keeps it secret.

    You're more ignorant than Jon Snow, because you chose to not look things up and rant out spoon fed nonsense.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/wuh...-december-2020-3?international=true&r=US&IR=T
    director of Wuhan Central Hospital's emergency department, shared a diagnostic report with colleagues on WeChat on December 30.

    https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/27-04-2020-who-timeline---covid-19
    31 Dec 2019
    Wuhan Municipal Health Commission, China, reported a cluster of cases of pneumonia in Wuhan, Hubei Province. A novel coronavirus was eventually identified.
     
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    Yep, so not LIVE at the wet market.

    No experts have made a link between MERS and a wet market. So how the hell could anyone NOT make that claim! :roflol:

    Irrelevant to context.

    All wet markets are NOT the same! :roflol:

    If you were able to source this, you would've done so by now! :roflol:

    Says the person who has REPEATEDLY challenged me to "source" things! Well guess what? TWO can play at that game!

    What does a Wuhan hospital have to do with the Chinese government?

    What does a local government entity in Wuhan have to do with the Chinese government being open with the world?
     
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    The camels in the pic above are very much alive and at a market.
    And you're pushing goal posts. Fresh meat = wet market.

    I made you say that, when you claimed there is no link between MERS and a wet market.:roflol:

    So what. You still are advocating different rules depending how many people live in a country. That's double standards.

    "He only determined that it did NOT start in the US!" is your claim so you need to source it. I say it's fake.

    You mean... I'm right all along that Chinese government blasted it over the world in 24 hours after the doctor notified his colleges... and therefor is rather transparent and has quickly spread the news. And you did not even know this.

    Go look it up yourself.

    Go look it up yourself.
     
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    Unless you can source otherwise, we don't know from the first picture that it's a market. And even if we did, we don't know that the camels are for sale and not just there for people's transportation. The second picture clearly depicts a market, but the camel doesn't look very alive to me. How bout to you?

    That claim is the only logical conclusion given that no experts have made a link between MERS and a wet market! :roflol:

    Well right here in this section, we are talking specifically about wet markets.
    Clearly you don't think that there should be different rules for bigger populations, but do you think there should be different rules for different wet markets?

    Again, I'm using YOUR own source against you! That's the Wikipedia article for Spanish Flu! You're correct that he debunked that it was from Kansas (which is in the US), but that's because the USELESS historians only pointed the finger at Kansas, so there were no other claims for the professor to debunk, either from the useless historians or anyone else according to that Wikipedia article.
    And even after taking all of this into consideration, which I can only assume you have by now, you THEN go on to claim that the professor is "still is pointing the finger at the US." Which again, if you were able to source this, you would've done so by now! Seriously, it REALLY IS now time to give up! Do it for your own reputation!

    Exactly, what you cited has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the Chinese government being open with the world! Nice try! :roflol: Why would I look this stuff up if YOU are making the claim?
     
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    @truth and justice, you really aren't helping your reputation by liking notme's posts here! I thought you were way more intelligent than this!
    You may have missed that they are trying their very best to say that the Spanish Flu is confirmed to have started in the US!:roflol:
     
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    This is pathetic. Of course that's a market. They aint roaming around in some desert in that picture. You really are losing arguments all over. While my point still stands that the US government accepts the risk of a pandemic by letting people have cats. While my point still stands that governments know that a wet market is a risk, yet they are all opening their border to such countries.

    I made you admit that you can not rule it out either.

    I already stated my opinion that I am against double standards.

    Where you wrongfully claimed he debunked it came from the US.

    He is. And nothing changes that they can not prove it came from the US, because the US is keeping it a secret. It's up to the US to prove they are innocent.

    My point still stands that the Chinese government notifying the world after 24 hours after the doctor notified his colleagues. That is indeed being transparent and quick.
     
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    wet market is just that a place where small business sell their produce, animal and meat at the same location, because its crowed place and "wet" most of time due to washing the produce/cleaning etc, also no "Dry" food, hence the name wet market. SK, japan has its, even in part of US has it(alot state/farmer fair etc has live animal to sell etc). Wild animal in the wet market is not too common though, but still there are alot place has it, including almost all developing worlds. H1N1 come from pig farm, MERS from camel, bird flu from chicken etc etc, as long there are alot animal pack together and there is human interaction, there will always be zoonotic virus like cov19.

    for example NYC has about 80 wet market alone

    https://thehill.com/changing-americ...eleb-activists-call-for-america-to-close-live
     
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    I've already shown you a link showing that the wet markets in NY ignore regulations. The streets were covered in blood and no sanitary precautions were observed in slaughtering the animals. I've also shown you links to recently dead animals being swept up and left to decompose outside factory farms
     
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    You very conveniently cut out the rest of what I said:

    Unless you can source otherwise, we don't know from the first picture that it's a market. And even if we did, we don't know that the camels are for sale and not just there for people's transportation.

    Just as you cannot rule out the existence of God.

    So you don't believe that it's a good idea to have different regulations for very different wet markets selling very different animals. Yeah, you're really super intelligent! :roflol:

    Kansas is in the US.

    Again, if you were able to source that the professor is "pointing the finger at the US", you would've done so by now! Seriously, it REALLY IS now time to give up! Do it for your own reputation!

    If you had a source that the Chinese government notified the world 24 hours after the doctor notified his colleagues, you would have cited it by now!
     
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    I sourced life camels present in a market. I sourced a butchered camel in a market. Only a total idiot would find it a mystery how a life animal ends up dead at the butchers.

    You never presented the case how Chinese wet markets are different from other wet markets.
    You only demanded double standards for Chinese wet markets, because there are a lot of Chinese citizens.
    That and my point stands that we all accept the risk of wet markets countries. We all trade with it.
    My point stands that we all accept risk for being at the start of a new pandemic for having cats.

    You sure have not debunked crap.

    I did in post 163.
     
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    actually its very rare wet market sell crap like bats. likely the bat spread to some other animal then spread to human, this is how H1N1 did, the pig got it from some other animal bird or something, then spread to human. if you went to farmer fair or wet market in US, its not regulate as you think, certainly not up the standard of FDA etc. I went to slaughter house when i was young, the animal are packed in small cages and it stink the high heaven. the wet or farmer fair is also very dirty with feces/urine from animals
     
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    I hate the meat industry. I don't eat any meat unless I kill it myself. The whole operation is disgusting, and so many people just stay willingly ignorant to the whole process.
     

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