My gun control compromise

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Maccabee, Jan 4, 2020.

  1. dagosa

    dagosa Well-Known Member

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    Tell us the answer. There is so little you seemed to be telling us, why don’t you tell us if you know.
     
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    dagosa Well-Known Member

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    You have a problem with the English language ? You sure have a problem with quoting it.
     
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    Then why did a plethora of states deem it necessary to institute mandatory background checks for private sales ?
     
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    I have no such problem. What is it you don't understand about it being illegal in all 50 states for a felon to purchase or possess a firearm?
     
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    Because they wanted to. This has exactly zero relevance to the fact you are wrong, and that in all 50 states, it is illegal for a felon to purchase or possess a firearm.
     
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    Xenamnes Banned

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    The answer is a resounding no. There is no venue, in the united states or elsewhere, that would allow a prohibited individual to purchase, possess, or even so much as touch a firearm, without committing a felony offense in the process. It does not matter how the firearm was acquired, it is still a felony offense, even if no one saw the act take place. It does not matter if it was acquired through a private transaction without a background check, the acquisition and subsequent possession are still felony offenses committed on the purchaser, and can be prosecuted.

    There are no so-called "loopholes" that allow a prohibited individual to legally take possession of a firearm, regardless of what circumstances may surround it. There is no legal maneuver to be exploited that holds a prohibited individual did not commit a crime and cannot be prosecuted for the purchase or possession of a firearm. This is a matter that is absolute in terms of scope, and no exceptions can be cited on the part of yourself to demonstrate otherwise.
     
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    The quote sure doesn’t match your comment.
     
  8. dagosa

    dagosa Well-Known Member

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    So, you’re smarter then the Supreme Court right ? Thus far, they haven’t struck down one of these expanded state private firearm sale provisions.
    Amazing. Did you ever think you should be a SCJ ?
     
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    Again, meaningless and irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

    If it is believed on the part of yourself that there is a so-called "loophole" that allows for a prohibited individual to take possession of a firearm, without committing at least one felony offense in the process, then cite precisely what it is. Show that it exists, that is is confirmed as existing, and is easily exploited by prohibited individuals to escape prosecution for the offense. Show that the courts are helpless to do anything about the existence of this "loophole" because the legislature refuses to close it, and has no choice but to drop the charges against a prohibited individual found in possession of a firearm because the so-called "loophole" was utilized.
     
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    Everyone reading, including you, knows why you are avoiding answering my question. What is it you do not understand about it being illegal in every single state in the US, for a felon to purchase or possess a firearm? It makes no difference if it's from a private sale, or from an FFL. It is illegal for them to do so.
     
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    It’s illegal for everyone to break the speed limit too. But unless there are provisions to catch them, they are not breaking being convicted of any crimes, misdemeanor, civil or otherwise.
    There are no federal provisions for enforcement of the private sale loophole. I know I’m right. The SC so far agrees with me. They have not overturned any states who have rectified the lack of provisions. Case closed. You’re wrong, I’m right.
     
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    there are measures to catch them. The facts remain, it is illegal in every single state for a felon to purchase or possess a firearm.
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    there are no loopholes with regards to firearms purchases. It is illegal for a felon to purchase a firearm in a private sale. You know that you are wrong.
    the supreme court has never ruled on the matter.
    cite the case where the issue was brought before the court, and the court ruled in it's favor. I'll help you out here, no such case exists. You remain wrong, and it appears to be intentional.
     
  13. Doofenshmirtz

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    I hear that argument all the time, but that conclusion requires averaging higher gun crime in areas with strict gun laws and lower gun crime in areas with far less gun control. CCWs are not an option where I live and it all started with politicians quoting statistics.

    I shoot aside LEOs at my gun club and most cops are middle of the road marksmen at best.
     
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    Such does not mean the act is not illegal.

    The law of the united states does not work that way. The united state supreme court not hearing the details of a particular case does not mean the law in question is constitutional by default.
     
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    I congratulate you for not using reflexive pronouns incorrectly. Other then that that there is little to say about your opinion other then, it’s factless.
     
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    Congratulations on living in a state that uses math and not nra quoted opinions ment to stoke fear and increase gun sales.
     
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    So would you disarm armored car security guards?
     
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    So you think wife beaters should be allowed to carry firearms ?,
     
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    You said you had a CCW. That is not an option in Los Angeles. Whats next? Private citizens have been disarmed. Would you also disarm armored car guards?
     
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    What would I do if I felt I couldn’t live without a firearm ? I’d move. In our state, we have constitutional carry. Of course, it’s tough to find a good paying job, the state is always in financial straits, but we all have guns....guns we get to sell to anyone with no questions asked, even to out of staters. Come on down.
     
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    My major problem with the attempts at pushing UBCs is the hidden agenda. The cover story for UBC’s is the supposed prevention of private sales to prohibited people. There are many useful uninformed people that have swallowed the pill believing the hyped risk narrative that is happening to some large degree. But, the agenda hidden is UBCs are useless for private sales without other controls being pushed... gun registration and laws assigning penalties to those preventing having guns stolen. If the stated objective were to provide private sellers with the means to lessen the potential for selling to prohibited buyers in the name of public safety, they would support private seller access to the NCIS.
    A few years ago, I liquidated a large part of my collection. For each sale, I required a copy of identification and a hand written statement from the buyer they were not prohibited from buying and For each I conducted my own means of an interview to determine their character (rejected a couple buyers because of that); I kept and still have records of my sales, including my written observations of those I rejected. I required information before meeting which I used in a search of criminal records (used an commercial 50 state service). And, I always conducted the transaction at a nearby police stating, notifying the front desk of what I was doing before hand, supplying them with info on me and the buyer. Anyone not agreeing to my conditions did not become a candidate to buy from me; only had one. If at the time I had access to the NICS, I would have used it.
    After I began working with a couple FFLs, my few remaking sales were done using their access to the NICS. When I get a gun to work on from one of my FFLs, the serial# is always run...Client’s are told that before they submit a gun to work on.
    Many other private sellers I know keep their own records and I have never talked to one that said they’d not use the NICS were it available.
    BTW, elsewhere, I have shown not a single objection to allowing private seller access to the NICS has merit.
     
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    an opinion wasn't offered. It is an objective fact of reality, that getting away with something that is illegal, has no relevance to the fact that it is in fact illegal. Also, it is an objective fact of constitutional law, that no court has heard any such case or ruled in the manner you claimed. It's why you can't cite one.
     
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    Doing what? A private transfer for two parties?

    There are a lot of FFL's down here do it for $30 + background check fee's, all you need to do is walk in produce ID's and the FFL does the rest.

    I had a friend who passed away, his wife not really liking firearms, she was scared of death of them called me up and asked if I wanted them, I of course agreed and asked er how much does she want for them, she told me "nothing, just get them out of my home."

    I went to her home and with a helper I loaded up my van with a collection I estimated to be worth $10,000, I'm not a collector and had no need for most of the collection so I started to sell them on Gunbroker and posted listings on the community bulletin board, most where sold on Gunbroker but a few sold locally and those transfers I did at a FFL in Lehigh, total fee for each transfer was $35 paid for by the seller.

    When the last one sold I gave the deceased wife $4300 in cash, half of what I sold them for, needless to say she was shocked not knowing what that collection was worth but very pleased to get the money, being as she gave them to me, I could have kept all of it, but that is something I could not do.
     
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    I don’t object what so ever. I then plan on running every single gun owner in my state who bought a gun privately. Bring it on. Open access ? Let’s do every politician too.
     
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    Your are dealing with what many including myself think is a troll.
     

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