Why Trump will lose.

45 progressive Republicans resigned because they could not win after opposing the radical antiestablishment Trump in Republican districts. The RP lost the advantage of incumbency and lost the seats. Democrats in those districts are now very vulnerable.

 

Sounds nice, but I"m not really interested in generalizations and platitudes. At the tender age of 69, I've had more than my share of it.

I'm here to debate specific policy, deeds, and character. As for principles, on a case by case basis.

 

Groups like the Lincoln Project are doing their part to show Trump for the childish individual that he is...

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1257532101966036993

If Trump loses it will be down to this kind of ridiculousness. Name calling and late night tweeting are beneath the office of POTUS. At least, in my opinion.

 

Correct - Trump did not create the popular antiestablishment mass movement that won the 2016 election.
Decades of Big Bad Government controlled by a very corrupt incompetent bipartisan ruling political class created the mass movement that is determined to remove corrupt establishment politicians from office.

 

nevermind

 

I don't know that they are progressive. By the standard of the turn of the century, you might call them progressive, as in the values of the "Progressive Era" (1890s - 1920s) but today, I'd call them moderates. I do'nt see that they are vulnerable, unless you can find 45 moderate repubs to run against the dems in those seats.
I can live with moderate repubs, but Trumpism is a disease.

 

Quote JFK? How about we quote Trump?

“You know, it doesn’t really matter what [the media] write as long as you’ve got a young and beautiful piece of ass,” --Donald J. Trump.



Like I said, generalizations and platitudes, not interested.

I do not loathe Trump in a vacuum, but he is the guy who..
the guy who was negotiating to build a hotel in Moscow, and told the American public he had nothing going on in Russia,
the guy who admitted on Howard Stern that he likes to barge in while teens are dressing to "inspect" them during pageants,
the guy who brags about grabbing women's genitals because, as a celebrity, he can get away with it,
the guy who some 19 women have accused him of sexual misconduct,
the guy who settled $25,000,000 in a class action lawsuit for screwing thousands out of millions for a fake university,
the guy who was sued over 100 times for not paying contractors,
the guy who once tried to use eminent domain to screw a widow out of her home so he could build a limo garage,
the guy who ****ed over the good townspeople of Aberdeenshire Scotland so that he could build a golf course there,

Not to mention

1. Most prolific liar.
2. Blatant bigot and self proclaimed nationalist.
3. Foe of women’s rights (including right to choose).
4. Foe of the LGBTQ community.
5. Anti-immigration xenophobe.
6. Plain dumbest, least knowledgeable of history and how the United States government works.
7. Biggest tax giveaway to the wealthiest Americans.
8. Blowing up the national debt by more than $1.7 Trillion (so far).
9. Personally responsible for damaging relationships with longtime U.S. allies and kissing the asses of murderous despots.
10. 10 outstanding counts of obstruction of justice.
11. Unnamed coconspirator (principle actor) involved in campaign finance violation.
12. Attempted extortion of a foreign leader.

Excuse me if I loathe Trump. See, there is a difference between loathing and hatred. Hatred is blind, for no rational reason ( or it often is )
Loathing is for reasons ( often sound reasons ).

I know it serves your agenda to paint the left with broad stokes, but the right elected Trump, who will go down as the worst president in history, it sure as hell wasn't democrats who put him there. You wanna talk 'sand', the right is sitting on it, it's called 'quicksand'.

FYI, I'm not 'new', new to this forum, but I've been debating politics for 45 years, and I used to be a republlcan. See my profile.

 

All of our political labels are more deceptive than descriptive. What does "progressive" really mean?

Most of the "progressive" programs enacted by FDR were started under the Hoover administration.
The popular support for the "moderate" Republicans often dipped into the single digits before they announced their retirement. Big Government Republicans are a dying breed.
Big Government Democrats are the walking dead.

 

Okay.

 

Nobody is really interested in debating, or your pissing-match method of discussion, because it's not discussion- it's venting.
You can't have a balanced view from a drastically biased position- only a distorted one, and the only person who can fix that is you.
I'm older than you. Some people grow up later than others- some never do regardless of age. But real grown-ups develop a reverence for seeing things fairly; understand the importance of not being blinded by their own prejudice. That doesn't mean not seeing faults of wrongs- but it does mean being able to see those on your side and well as those on others with the same standards. You are clearly unable to do that; and in the extreme- thus not at all qualified to "discuss" nor able to have an opinion that rational people can give any consideration too.

The trolls, the rants, the ventings are nothing new here. Trump has already been called every conceivable name by experts who have accomplished nothing in life but know everything. So your claims simply carry no weight at all, at least with me. You are unwilling, and by that choice unable, to see anything without the distortion of your bias. And "loathing" IS just another name for hatred, the definitions of each word usually includes the other.

You are wasting your time here.

 

Kind of like how there are those who insist that one can not end a sentence with a preposition.

 

Saved for posterity

 

Trump won because the leadership of the DNC conspired with the MSM to run the only person on the plan that could not beat him.
All the "Republican propaganda machine" had to do was roll tape.

 

November 2019, at least.

 

Yes - we learned you did not know the correct term is "regardless" - until you Googled it.
So much for the ubermensch, eh?

 

What mass movement?

Trump won with 3,000,000 fewer votes than Clinton. The lowest percentage in 30 years. Tiny margins (-1%) in four key states.

Since February 2017, he's never had more than a 45% approval rating.

It's a miracle he was elected and it won't happen again next November.

 

Yes, yes - we know: ubermensch > untermensch

Funny how the Democrats were once the proud champions of he blue collar worker.

 

Saved for posterity

 

It seems to me that you have said nothing in defense of Trump. After all, did you not come here to argue that Trump will not lose? When catastrophes occur, that is when great leaders emerge. Yet in the current crisis Trump drug his heels, forcing governors to rise to the occasion. Without national leadership the US has grown to be the country with the most outbreaks of Covid19. Even with all our technical and medical advantages. To make matters worse, not only has Trump not led, but he spends his time trash talking his adversaries, electioneering, and spreading misleading information.

If one wants to know about what is going on with the Covid19 pandemic, Trump is not the person to listen to. You can philosophize all you want, but in the majority of American eyes, Trump has shown himself to be an ineffectual leader.

 

Because, as you know, the governors, not Trump, had the power to do what needed to be done.
Why, other than your intolerant devotion to your prejudices, do you choose to criticize Trump for not doing things you know he could not do?

Now, be honest.. and tell us know that looks when you adjust that number per capita.
https://www.statista.com/chart/21176/covid-19-infection-density-in-countries-most-total-cases/

 

Yes. Rules are there to encourage the search for exceptions.

 

It has been said that Hoover was a mini-version of FDR, but it stops there. Hoover showered Roosevelt with many of the same right wing memes, i.e., 'socialist" 'fascist' etc., that republicans are now trying to paint the left as. It's an old tired playbook, really. Hoover was no friend of FDR's new deal, and when FDR was inaugurated, he spent the entire duration of FDR's presidency fighting FDR and the new deal,

In my view, no policy prolonged the Great Depression more than Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act signed into law by Hoover ( and we are seeing the damage Trump's tariff is imposing on the economy, where hundreds of prominent businesses and farmers are crying for relief from this disastrous policy especially during this pandemic,
https://tariffshurt.com/news/new-da...llion-including-2-6-billion-in-february-alone
but if Trump did that, he'd have to admit failure )

I felt that FDR should have repealed it, but he decided, instead, to the tariffs as bargaining chips with a series of reciprocity agreements between '35 - and '41 starting with Reciprocal Trade Agreements Act of 1934.

Vacuous declarations are meaningless.

 

Trump won the election easily on chump change w/o running any ads with a tiny campaign organization in his spare time.
A few pointless ads in irrelevant states like NY, CA, and IL would have generated far more than 3M meaningless popular votes.

The only force that could have taken down the DP's Big Blue Wall was the same mass movement of antiestablishment rads that decided to support the antiestablishment Trump - Democrats, Independents and Republicans all standing up to the corrupt bipartisan ruling political class.

 

IOW, you admit that Hoover's "progressive" policies were virtually the same as FDR's progressive policies even including the tariffs, while pointing out the obvious - they were political rivals and "not friends". Are you under the impression that "progressives" are all friends with each other?
In fact, progressives frequently oppose other "progressives", and are actually far more likely to persecute and kill each other than conservatives.

What specifically do you consider to be "Vacuous declarations are meaningless" and why do you feel that way?

 

You didn't answer the questions

The suppression of science for politics at the EPA was going on long before Trump arrived - unfortunately. The dangers of Second hand Smoke being one example (as in next to Zero) - complete with lies and misrepresentation.

I was quite serious when I stated that the Right has a better environmental strategy (no strategy) than the Left - a strategy that is ruining the Environment and killing our chances of saving it.

Agree on the "Dem Socialist .. call yourself anything but socialist. That term is just not palatable to the average voter I also favor Bernie over Biden.