A 25-year-old black man was shot dead in Georgia while jogging, prompting online protests labeling t

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  1. notme

    notme Well-Known Member

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    All you're showing is an illegal search of a black guy. Who when the cops know he's unarmed, still gets tasered... or well.. there was an attempt. The cop who made that attempt has been indicted on a different thing of being a total liar. That entire police district is a joke. That red neck ex cop... it got so bad that he wasn't allowed to arrest anybody, wasn't allowed to have a gun, wasn't allowed to drive in a car of the police district... and it noted that right before he "retired" he wasn't allowed to wear a badge even. Total joke. Absolute total joke.
     
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    But still a murder is not done other crime and the hate crime thing has to do with sentencing not the severity of the charge.

    Further I disagree with hate crime bullshit. It shouldn't matter what the person was thinking when they committed the murder. If it does than it's thought crime

    But either way you are wing completely.
     
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    He was questioned because he was parked in an area were he was not allowed to park. You can see from google maps, the parking area is nowhere near where he parked. The officer learned that his license was suspended, and at that same time he became aggressive. Yeah. He gets a Terry pat down at that point.
     

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  4. superbadbrutha

    superbadbrutha Banned

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    Black suspect, hmmmm. Well you know when chase folks and threaten them that is usually what happens.
     
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    superbadbrutha Banned

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    Will have to see if your racist heroes get what they have got coming.
     
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    How did they know what race he was unless they knew his last name. Some folks think race is determined by a person's last name.
     
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    Not rational people.
     
  8. Bluesguy

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    reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion

    Yes it is
     
  9. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Then what was the threat? What is threatening about "we want to talk to you"? The threat was that if he did not flee the scene the police would soon be there.
     
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    Show me the evidence of a verbal threat, until then it does not exist. You don't get to just make up one.
     
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    Those rednecks are going to walk, as they were within the law. Your brotha is 6 feet under. And it's pretty damn obvious why that is.

    I'm sure you'll come on back and apologize as well as retract that race card when the time comes.
     
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    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Try asking the correct question

    What felony did the suspect him of committing? Burglary and stealing a weapon.
     
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    Shoplifting at walmart in 17 does not give Greg McMichael reasonable and probable grounds that arbery is then fleeing a felony he committed when Greg encounters him in Feb 2020. Which means he can't chase him, and can't detain him. Which makes Greg McMichael and his son brigands.
     
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    So he came there numerous times from Oct to Feb, stayed for mere moments, the homeowner reports nothing missing, yet he was stealing things.... righhhhhhhhhht.
     
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    And how does possibly shoplifting from walmart in 17 relate to him committing a felony and fleeing it where Greg McMichael can form a reasonable and probable grounds that he was doing same, logically? O right... it doesn't. Nothing about shoplifting in 17 meant he committed a felony in 20, or that Greg had reasonable and probable grounds to suspect that he had.

    Its literally irrelevant to the determination.
     
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    No, it doesn't but thanks for using the word "brigand"... it is literally the first time I have seen it used here. lol
     
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    Most all Premeditated murder is a Hate Crime.
    What those 2 McMichael bros did wasn't even Premeditated.
    Unless it came,it saw,it did.
    They were reacting to a person " Jogger " and his behavior.
    As in something seems fishy.
     
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    I see you are still interested in distraction from the actual attack.

    Read the self defense laws and assault laws in Georgia then answer this simple question.

    What actions taken in the video by McMichael justified your criminal to attack fearing for his life? Quote the law and the part of the video that support your fantasies.
     
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    Objectively as a matter of fact his conduct so far in the tapes is not criminal. To be criminal trespass he'd have to take or break $500 worth of **** or be told to leave by the owner or their agent and refuse.
    To be burglary he'd have to have the intent to commit a felony therein, and the only felonies I've heard alleged are forms of theft... but he was there multiple times over a 5 month period and nothing ever went missing nor did he stay for more than a few moments. The homeowner has testified it is his opinion the man was likely getting water, as he steps off camera where there is a tap.

    What might have occurred years prior has no bearing on whether or not he committed a felony the day he was killed.
     
  20. Reasonablerob

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    1. They had both.
    2. Burglary only requires to enter as a trespasser with intent to steal.
    3. The house is a structure, the offence is complete.
    4. Burglary is a felony.
    5. We don't know he hadn't taken anything else such as Travis' gun. Probably just scoping the place waiting for something worthwhile.
    6. Because there had been thefts and a man fitting the description was seen fleeing the scene after entering as a trespasser again. They had every right to stop and detain him for the police.
     
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    Yes, he was on probation wasn't he?
     
  22. Reality

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    The victim using self defense would not negate an intentional murder charge. Here, we have no information that the McMichaels set out to kill this particular person. Instead, they committed a criminal act (agg assault) that led to his death making it section C of the Georgia catchall murder statute IE a death during the commission of a felony irrespective of malice. Which is what they are charged with.

    Here, you only have to prove the agg assault and resulting homicide, which Greg McMichael has pretty much already done by his own statements to police which are admissible as statements by party opponent.


    He could've been Ted Bundy coming back from a kill, the McMichaels didn't have the sort of predicates required to shelter under the CA statute, meaning the chase entire constitutes their initiation of aggression. Meaning they can't claim self defense.
     
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    Not picking a fight to detain someone for the police whom you reasonably expect they are a burglar. The don't need any excuse, they had every right in the world.
     
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    You might try asking the correct question: What felony did the accused have reasonable and probable grounds to suspect that Arbery had JUST COMMITTED and WAS THEN FLEEING? Recall that Greg had no idea that Arbery had just been at the construction site when he seizes him of his liberty. Instead he sees Arbery running down the street, recognizes him from the tapes he says, and claims that's enough to generate the predicates for CA. Which it is not.
     
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    Burglary, the CCTV from the previous offences had identified a suspect, in the same locale and fleeing the scene
     

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