A 25-year-old black man was shot dead in Georgia while jogging, prompting online protests labeling t

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  1. Yulee

    Yulee Well-Known Member

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    I can’t find any public record of that either.
     
  2. Reasonablerob

    Reasonablerob Well-Known Member

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    And also said that he thought he was the person for the 'break ins'? He reasonably suspected him of burglary.
     
  3. Reality

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    No, its picking a fight. Its just that if you can claim under citizen's arrest you have an EXCUSE to go and pick that fight.

    Here however, they don't have the proper predicates to generate a citizen's arrest as you have to have reasonable and probable grounds to suspect they are fleeing a felony they just committed, not one that occurred at another time.
    Saying "I thought I could because I saw him on tape weeks ago and here he is passing by me" means you have admitted you don't have the proper predicates for CA because you admit you have no reasonable and probable grounds to suspect CURRENT commission of any crime much less a felony.
     
  4. Reasonablerob

    Reasonablerob Well-Known Member

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    Don't have to, he just entered with intent to steal.
     
  5. Reasonablerob

    Reasonablerob Well-Known Member

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    I don't have to, all you need is reasonable grounds to suspect and there's plenty of that.
     
  6. Reasonablerob

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    He was a burglar, he entered the house as a trespasser with intent to steal. He didn't have anything to steal.
     
  7. Reality

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    1) No they don't.
    2) It requires you enter a particular sort of property (and its unclear an open construction qualifies but let's assume it does for argument's sake) WITH INTENT TO COMMIT A FELON THEREIN. If you think it only requires 'intent to steal' then quote the statute. Note: Criminal trespass also requires you to break or steal $500 worth of stuff. How does anything get charged as criminal trespass when the same elements would apply to burglary under your conception? See how that doesn't make logical sense? Dead give away you've got it wrong.
    3) See 2
    4) Burglary requires intent to commit a felony therein, you cannot say the felony intended therein was burglary that's a circular, recursive loop of illogic. So WHAT FELONY was he there with intent to commit?
    5) 5 months of visits and nothing was taken. The homeowner says he appears to have been getting water from the tap then leaving immediately. Its not reasonable to assume theft is the intent when he never takes anything and has numerous opportunities. Its not plausible that he would take nothing in all that time but still have the intent to commit felony theft therein.
    6) Except Greg McMichael has no idea he's just been at the construction site when he stops him. He states he sees him running past and thinks he recognizes Arbery from the night tapes. The Day tape could not have been downloaded from the server and sent to Greg and Greg watch it before Arbery runs past him. And Greg doesn't claim to have seen it. You're blending perspectives of who knew what and when did they know it. Common mistake.
     
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    Burglary requires intent to commit a felony therein. What felony did he intend to commit and how do you claim you have reasonable and probable grounds to suspect such?
     
  9. Reasonablerob

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    That's pure supposition on your part, they had plenty of reasonable grounds, you seem unable to empathise with the accused yet make excuses from Arbery all the time. Don't have to have a current offence if they could prove him guilty of his previous burglary.
     
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    When he was caught of CCTV entering as a trespasser to steal on the previous occasions?
     
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    Reasonablerob Well-Known Member

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    Read Koon's book.
     
  13. superbadbrutha

    superbadbrutha Banned

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    He was looking at him coming by.
     
  14. Reasonablerob

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    Who was murdered?
     
  15. Reality

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    Its not supposition, its literally an analysis of what's happening under the law. Assaulting someone is generally illegal and requires an EXCUSE IE an affirmative defense, to make it acceptable and not a crime. When you CA someone, you are assaulting them with the excuse provided by the statute, making it acceptable and not a crime so long as you actually meet the elements.

    What excuses have I made for Arbery? All I've pointed out is that priors are not allowed as part of the calculus, nor did Greg McMichael have any idea Arbery had just been at the construction site.

    Additionally: I posted a link yesterday to clear this CA thing up: The crime has to be in present commission, not past. If its past, you call the cops and THEY handle it. You don't have a right to chase what you suspect is an old felony. They would have to get a warrant from a judge to do otherwise.
     
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    Why did they suspect that?
     
  17. Reasonablerob

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    You mean railroaded by officials too cowardly to do what is right.
     
  18. Reality

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    Of PRIOR incidents which he claims are burglary. 1) it has to be a present instance to chase and 2) those incidents are not burglary or even criminal trespass under Georgia law.
     
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    Why do I need to try and show that, again we don't know what was said when Travis jumped out the truck. Are you saying because there is no audio Travis didn't threaten him.
     
  20. Reasonablerob

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    No but you want to railroad these poor guys. Tall black guy in jogging gear seen fleeing the scene of previous thefts, plenty of reasonable grounds.
     
  21. Reasonablerob

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    He's detaining for the police and it certainly is burglary.
     
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    You don't have the right to chase anything but a current crime. Greg had no reasonable grounds that a crime was in current commission, misdemeanor or felony, when he encountered Arbery.
     
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    Because a coward murdered him and they will walk if they get a jury like the Roy Bryant had.

    Time will tell.
     
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    If I witness you speeding do you feel it would be legal to chase you down, block the road while brandishing a weapon and then shoot you if you failed to comply with my demands?
     
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    Possibly, if the same thing happened to them I'd have no problem with it.
     

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