Concealed guns should be illegal

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Quasar44, Apr 23, 2020.

  1. Xenamnes

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    Irrelevant to the discussion at hand. The personal experiences of any particular individual in their day-to-day lives have absolutely no bearing on the facts of the matter.

    Meaning it is better suited for offensive purposes rather than defensive purposes, which is why so many states have outright prohibitions on knives and other melee weapons, but not on firearms.

    There is also the fact that a knife cannot be used to maintain distance, as it cannot be used from a distance. For a knife to be useful the individual must put themselves at the risk of physical harm to actually use it against an assailant, thus putting themselves within reach of being grabbed, grappled, and potentially having the knife wrestled away from them. In such a situation, the one with superior upper body strength and arm reach will win.

    There is also the fact that there is absolutely nothing to prevent the assailant from having a firearm, thus making a knife useless for the purpose of self defense.

    Except for the fact that such courses do not actually work. They do nothing more than provide a false sense of security to those who are too ignorant to know the difference, and too lazy to give their own well being any serious consideration.

    Are you a female individual, both physically smaller and weaker than the average male individual? If not then do not speak on the subject of what does and does not work for female individuals looking to protect themselves from harm.

    Exactly why should the so-called "playing field" be even between the victim and the assailant? Why should the assailant not find themselves facing the unfair advantage upon deciding to try and victimize someone?

    Explain the logic behind such a notion.

    While such is not being disagreed with, it is being disagreed with the these so-called "other options" are superior to the use of firearms, to the point where firearms are rendered unnecessary for matters of personal defense.
     
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    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    No just gun sales, but there is the attention to fashion the goes with it;the clothes, specialized holsters, purses, etc. my ex was well endowed and had a special bra holster she liked when carrying. The you have my pink girl.... loves that color; thought she’d out grow it. But, if she can get it in pink, she will. Several of her pieces (yes, she has a collection) have pink grips or stocks like her Anschutz and, yes, even her AR15. I figure she doesn’t need to shoot a bad guy; they would die laughing or figure she’s to wacko to tackle. I told her husband I feel sorry for him; for the other, everything is black.
    By me, we have an excellent female instructor that works at a couple ranges here that does women oriented courses, a lady’s only range night, and a periodic ladies CC fashion night... sort of like a Tupperware thing. My thinking is... what is good for the goose is good...
     
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    I can only tell you what I read in the newspaper and other media sources.
     
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    The relevancy is in the eyes of the beholder.



    Yes, if you are carrying a switch blade or a knife with a foot long blade, then yes, there may be an issue just like their may be an issue with carrying a concealed gun without a license to carry such.

    The idea is making the perp think you are unarmed so when he/she moves in closer they are in for a surprise. One quick thrust into the stomach and upward motion and the perp is going to be more surprised and concerned about the extreme pain in his/her stomach. Even if the perp has a gun and doesn't see the victim with a gun their guard will most likely be down allowing for the victim to deal a life threatening stab to the perp.



    Tell me, have you ever had a woman kick you in the groin? or gouge your eyes out with her fingers? or jam her fist into your throat? Women are taught to use their weight to their advantage; just ask any female police officer whose been through the academy.



    Because guns misfire or jam; knives do not. Guns have to be carried on your person when leaving your house or car; they require a license to be carried whereas knives generally do not need to be licensed. With the carrying of guns comes the liability of due regard; as a rule knives do not. That is the logic.



    For personal defense, I'd use a knife over a gun; that combined with martial arts you'd be pretty well protected and without all the hassle and responsibility carrying a gun brings with it.
     
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    Which is a poor source of credible information.
     
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    What a crock, first you claimed a person armed with a gun would be shot before they could do anything and now you are claiming if a person has a knife the armed perp will get close enough to be stabbed without shooting the victim.

    You watch way too much TV and lack a real world understanding of self defense.

    If you stab someone with a gun and don't sever their spine, they are going to let loose a mag of ammo into your body before they die, if they actually do die.
     
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    Tell me, how do you "stab" someone with a gun?:disbelief:
     
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    Good points. But, it still reminds me that my ultimate defense, a 6’4” 220 lb son can’t be my body guard cause he isn’t always available. My daughter, the martial arts Expert can kick ass and tells me your opponent maybe be better prepared then you. There is a place for a concealed weapon and permit. Not everywhere, but a herd of rabid chipmunks in heat can be intimidating.
     
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    ~ Certain things I was told about self-defense with a gun at home : Never go outside ; never pursue anyone ; never let an intruder get close enough to strike ( about 15 feet ) ; be aware of where the bullet will go if you miss the target ; shoot twice at center mass ( torso ) ; leave the danger zone ASAP ; CALL YOUR ATTORNEY FIRST - police second :nod: ; shoot first - worry later.
    Good luck to us all . Stay safe ...
     
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    Well, lots of good advice except for “ worry later”.
    Do all your planning and worrying first and there’s much less chance you need to shoot first.
     
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    At present count there are sixteen states that recognize constitutional carry as the law, meaning a permit is not needed. The number of states doing such is going to increase, not decrease.

    That particular matter aside, the types of blades legal to carry in many states are wholly unsuited in terms of physical for purposes of self defense, especially when they require both hands to open.

    Why exactly would one want the suspect to approach? The idea is to maintain distance at all times, as distance prevents physical grappling from becoming a possibility.

    Which, again, takes years of dedicated effort to master, all the while causing significant physical wear on the body. Even when learned properly, such lessons still cannot overcome basic physics, and the one with the larger frame will always remain superior in a physical conflict.

    Then why do law enforcement officers carry firearms?

    The notion of firearms jamming is largely exaggerated in the modern era. If it is a concern then an individual can practice with their chosen firearm and ammunition to verify that it is indeed functional and reliable enough to be trusted. There are no simple solutions that do not require preparation and planning.

    And if the assailant has a firearm, they will always possess the advantage over an individual with a knife in any situation, as the victim is not going to be operating on the basis that it is possible the firearm will jam and work to their advantage.

    Which ultimately means nothing, other than what would be done on the part of yourself, in a situation and circumstances that are unique and exclusive to yourself, and not shared by anyone else. Do not be telling other individuals what they do and do not need, based on the experienced on the part of yourself.
     
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    You take a knife and try to stab them, however normally that doesn't work for well for the person with a knife.

     
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    As long as you keep in mind that the Constitution is a piece of paper......not a defensive force.
    There are many in America who would gladly over rule the US Constitution in a heartbeat.....and many of them are actually getting the chance to do just that.

    "All that is required for evil men to ignore and override the Constitution is for ~good men~ to do nothing" (See Venezuela & ACA Obamacare Act)
    (YES, it happens)
     
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    I don’t disagree Much really. But most of your complaints shout be addressed To your local government.
     
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    In the end, everything comes down to which side can deliver the most force.
    Some people believe this should be the state, some people believe it should be the people.
    The former will always act to reduce the possibility of the latter.
     
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    What worries me most is that one side is waging an "at any cost" war against Constitutional Rights and basically the entire US system while the other side is quivering and quiet in a dark corner, afraid
    to move or resist. (The Marxist propaganda has worked spectacularly)
     
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    The CV19 pandemic has, to some degree, demonstrated a willingness to resist.
    At least from some.
     
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    ~ It has also opened the eyes of some to the obvious politically tainted and unreliable "news " media ✔
     
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    And Trump, the author of 20,000 lies, is reliable ?
     
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    Exactly where has the main steam media posted unreliable news ?
     
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    There's the root of your issue right there.
    You believe what you are told to believe.
    They do that in North Korea too.
     
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    ~ Start with coverage of the late great "Russia /Trump conspiracy".
     
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    Continue. What did they report that was false ?
     
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    Which ones?.agw is a Chinese hoax, only 15 will die, or let’s look into uv to kiling virus internally, of course fix news has just three.

    Where is your beautiful healthcare ?

    How about, we’re going to open churches for Easter.

    Mexico will pay for something, I forgot, a wall ?

    just 19,000 and change left?
     
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