So after 100 thousand Americans have died, we know whose fault all of this is.

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  1. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Again your distaste for Trump clouds you judgement.
     
  2. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    The date is irrelevant. What he needed to do was prepare The reason you prepare is to give yourself the chance that there is no emergency to declare.

    Do you know what an emergency declaration is?

    Trump didn't prepare.. Trump didn't... do anything. Except hold rallies, golf and lie to the American people.

    As a result, people died.
     
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    Maccabee Well-Known Member

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    It's not so much the numbers but how fast they accumulate. After all, we went to war with less casualties from 9/11.
     
  4. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No. People died. Maybe more died as a result. Maybe no more died as a result. All of this happened within a couple of days of each other and death rates at that time were relatively low. The discussion in the US was still whether all of the deaths were caused by people coming from China or whether they were being infected by people already in the US.

    What we do know is that no democrat came up with anything earlier and other countries were also trying to get their act together and our death rate per 100,000 is lower than most other large countries.

    You are looking for perfection from Trump when no perfection exists anywhere.
     
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    squidward Well-Known Member

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    It's a virus.
    That's life on the rock.
    You destroy an economy of a nation of 330 million because a small fraction might die, mostly ones who were at high risk of death on any given day, prior to the virus?
     
  6. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Ok.... So we add "All Democrats" to the list of those who should be doing Trump's job.

    Shame on them! Sleeping on the job! Shake a leg, Democrats! That job of President isn't going to do itself!
     
  7. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am sure you know what I mean. Keep on being intentionally misleading. It only makes you look bad.
     
  8. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    I know exactly what you mean. I know that what you mean is exactly what I said. And I also know that you haven't realized it because... that's the talking point you were handed.... so it's the talking point you repeat.

    I am totally, completely, 100% serious: you are demanding Democrats do the job that corresponds to the President. And I'm fairly sure you do this because, deep inside, you know that he's not qualified to do it himself.

    I am not kidding!!!!
     
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  9. Marine1

    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What did Trump know and when did he know it and act?


    Here’s a WHO advisory from Jan. 14 trying to tell people that it couldn’t be transmitted between humans, according to China. https://www.redstate.com/nick-arama...-said-it-wasnt-contagious-destroyed-evidence/


    He was told in January 21, Dr. Fauci said it wasn't any worse than the flue.https://nj1015.com/is-dr-fauci-right-about-covid-19-opinion/


    On January 29, WHO finally got it right.

    ‘Real and present’: Risk from influenza is far greater than ...
    www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jan/29/flu...
    Jan 29, 2020 · None of the passengers are showing symptoms of the virus and are being housed at the March Air Reserve Base, she said. Twenty U.S. airports now are conducting entry screenings, up from five last week.


    On January 31, Trump closes border to China, against the wishes of the Democrats.


    • U.S. President Trump criticized For Shutting Border to China ...
      ipanews.info/u-s-president-trump-criticized-for...
      Apr 13, 2020 · So, on January 17 th, travel restrictions began, and on January 31 Trump issued a ban on travel between the U.S. and China. Also, on January 31 st, the WHO said that travel restrictions can cause more harm than good by hindering
    • Week and a half later after Trump close border to China, Pelosi was telling people virus not that bad, go to China Town. The Mayors of New Orleans and New York were telling people virus not that bad, get out, go to the parade, go to China Town, go out and eat, ride the subway and bus. So was the Health Director of NY.
     
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    Date is EVERYTHING. At what point were we less prepared and as a result more people have died compared to most other countries? Which experts told us back in January that we needed to shut the country’s down and quarantine? We’re middle of the road when it comes to death rate and considering our size, that’s quite remarkable. What information did Trump ignore? Which experts did he ignore? In January was there even a handful of cases? How many deaths? Show us all the Democrat leadership showing grave concern?

    Your grasp of facts and the time table of events is so laughably misguided. You have shown time and time again how ignorant of reality you’ve been since this all started and it’s quite sad and pathetic. Just stop it already. You’re making a fool of yourself. ;). What are you trying to prove by spouting all your nonsense day after day?
     
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  11. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are either intentionally a very poor mind reader or are intentionally failing understand what I am saying. I will repeat it. Take your time to understand it before making more foolish statements.

    Democrats failed to recognize the problem even thought they had access to information very similar to that which Trump received. There was no expectation that they would do anything about it, except talk about it or let be known that there was a problem. Their failure to mention that there was a problem shows that they did not recognize the magnitude of the problem either. Similarly, other heads of states also failed to recognize the severity of the problem. In spite of that you expected Trump to be practically the only person on the face of this earth to fully recognize the problem.

    Now. Get it out of your head that I expected the democrats to do anything more than make it known that there was a problem. In fact, after Trump started taking action, Pelosi and Cuomo was saying there was no problem and Biden said Trump was fear mongering.
     
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    • Nursing homes can't reject coronavirus patients, Cuomo says
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      Apr 23, 2020 · Cuomo said that if a nursing home can’t properly quarantine and treat COVID-19 patients with separate staffers, it’s required to move them to another facility or ask the state Department of ...
    • Gov. Cuomo admits he was wrong to order nursing homes to ...
      nypost.com/2020/05/10/cuomo-was-wrong-to-order...
      On Sunday, Cuomo announced a new regulation: Such patients must now test negative for the virus before hospitals can return them to nursing homes. Yet the gov also admitted that COVID-19 cases ... ( Over 5,000 nursing home patients died from the virus in New York.)
     
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  13. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Act? He has yet to start. I guess he doesn't know yet that there is a pandemic. They're trying to find some way to get him to pay attention to his daily briefings. No luck yet!

    Yes! Because we elected the WHO to the Presidency of the United States, right?

    It's the WHO's fault that Trump was minimizing the crisis while other countries were already in lock down! Impeach the WHO!
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    WHO ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO RAISE THE ALARM. THEY FAILED TO DO THAT.
     
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    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No one minimized the crises like the Democrats did and I showed that.

    Act? He provided more ventilators than states needed. NY and Washington state were giving them away to other states.


    Emergency Field Hospitals set up cost over 600 million dollars and most went unused.


    The mercy ship he sent to NY that had the ventilation changed for virus patients was hardly used


    3M sent thousands of masks to Europe, when Trump found that out he turned the ship around and gave the masks to the states.


    When he found out that people were only using their masks once, he found a company who could sanitized them.
     
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    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    White House in Washington

    (Reuters) - The United States will announce on Tuesday that it has signed a $354 million contract with a company to make generic medicines and pharmaceutical ingredients in the country needed to treat COVID-19, the New York Times reported late on Monday.

    The move is part of efforts to bring pharmaceutical manufacturing to the United States from abroad. Phlow Corp is a generic drug maker based in Virginia which makes medicines overseas, mostly in India and China, according https://nyti.ms/36dylna to the NYT.

    Trump's trade adviser Peter Navarro, in an interview to NYT, called this "a historic turning point in America's efforts to onshore its pharmaceutical production and supply chains".

    The number of coronavirus cases in the U.S exceeded 1.5 million on Monday, as total deaths 90,000, according to a Reuters tally of state and county figures.

    The Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority, a part of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, has awarded a four-year contract to Phlow in which it will lead a team of private sector entities that includes Civica Rx, Ampac Fine Chemicals, and the Medicines for All Institute, according to the report.

    U.S. HHS Secretary Alex Azar called the initiative "a significant step to rebuild our domestic ability to protect ourselves from health threats," in a statement that the administration plans to make public Tuesday morning, according to the NYT.

    The NYT added that the contract may be extended for a total of $812 million over 10 years, making it one of the largest awards in the authority's history.

    The HHS, Phlow, Civica, Ampac and Medicines for All Institute were not immediately available for a comment.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    At all points! In regards to preparation, we have lagged behind just about every country. Of course, you could comfort yourself by cherry-picking countries that may be worse than us... maybe Brasil, or Russia or... Nicaragua... But we are we even comparing ourselves with any other country? No country in the world has the resources that this President* had.

    Where in the world did you get the idea that we needed to shut down in January?

    We don't know that because we're very low on the list as far as tracking dead.

    Again: why are we comparing us to other countries? I hope you answer this question convincingly.

    All of them!

    I don't know what your obsession with January could be. Given that Trump has mishandled this every month. But how many dead do you think we needed to have before the President stopped lying to the people and started preparing?

    I see! So it was the Democrats who should have been doing the President's job. But this is a very poor argument. Democrats did, and are even now, the ones showing concern. Today!!!!! As for Trump... he doesn't even wear a mask in public events... His only concern are his poll numbers.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    No they did not!

    Repeating the same nonsense over and over might convince you that a lie is true. But not with me!

    You will never see a version of Fox News or Rush Limbaugh or Alex Jones on the left. Their tactic simply doesn't work.
     
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    The president receives the Presidential Daily Briefing. Congress received the same information in an intelligence briefing on the same day. Links have already been provided showing this.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    For the hundredth time... Trump!!!!!
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...9d8cda-6ad5-11ea-b5f1-a5a804158597_story.html
    "Intelligence agencies “have been warning on this since January,” said a U.S. official who had access to intelligence reporting that was disseminated to members of Congress and their staffs as well as to officials in the Trump administration, and who, along with others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe sensitive information."
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    FOR THE HUNDREDTH TIME, THEIR JOB IS TO SPREAD THE WORD SO THAT OTHER PEOPLE CAN TAKE ACTION. THEY FAILED TO DO THAT.
     
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    Maybe if you watched Fox News you'd be more informed in what Trump did fighting this virus. What he did for the economy. How bad Obama did. Your information sources seen very limited. Your only hearing half the story, the half they want you to know.
     
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    Democrats are not the President of the United States!!!!

    How can somebody get through the head of somebody that holds an incompetent baboon as their idol, that it's that idol where the buck stops!

    Oh God! Don't be ridiculous.
     
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    IF THE EXPERTS DID NOT ANTICPATE A PROBLEM, WHY DO YOU THINK TRUMP SHOULD ANTICIPATE THE PROBLEM?
     

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