So, Let's be like Sweden...

WOW. You found 1!

Any idea how many people died of covid without being counted because they were never tested?
How about people who died of other causes aggravated by covid who may be alive but for covid?

Expected vs real deaths

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/05/05/us/coronavirus-death-toll-us.html

"Nationwide, nearly 64,000 more people have died than usual between March 15 and April 25. That number is more than 16,000 higher than the official count of coronavirus deaths for that period."

64k unexpected deaths?
Only 16k reported as Covid?

I'm not saying anyone's covering up. I mean why would the governors of Georgia, Florida, SC, LA, and others want to hide the real death numbers? What I am saying, and what I have been saying is that we do not know the real count because many many people died who were never tested. The best we can do is estimate based on real vs expected adjusting for factors such as reduced travel. That number, whatever it is is certainly well above the reported values even accounting for these mistakes.

 

The real motive is to promote the number of China virus deaths in order to paralyze the citizenry and make them government dependent!

 

Let me try this again; what is the time frame for your prediction that COVID-19 will kill 1.6 million Swedes?

 

Pfft. If you can't engage in serious conversation then don't engage at all.

 

Asked and answered.

 

This first wave will probably yield a few hundred thousand dead

Yes nancy it is much worse than the flu.


And it is still with us .

 

That's false, so I'll just put that down as a refusal to answer.

Hey it's your premise, why so scared of it?

 

You can dismiss the comment....doesn't touch it's validity.

 

It's just fear mongering, kids.

 

Put it down any way you like.

Repeating myself so satisfy your refusal to actually read the thread and apply a modicum of reasoning to what you read is a waste of my effort.

Asked and answered.

 

Comment dismissed.
Validity dismissed.
If you have nothing to say then say that.

 

Reality is generally painted that way by those most threatened by it.

 

I'm not threatened by it.

 

You failed math didn't you?

 

True, but then again societies like Japan and Sweden are traditionally well-behaved, and the entire society operates like a social collective, with people doing their duty and following the consensus.

Set some rules and educate the society about them, and pretty much everyone will follow them. That is not the case in many other countries.

I do think we should be taking a look at Latin American countries and the death rates there, since those are societies where people really do not like being told what to do.

 

As if you would accept actual proof

And you should keep telling people that they should go out of business and have their houses foreclosed on. That's the best campaigning we could possibly hope for for Donald Trump.

 

"You are not entitled to your own facts." Proof is proof. It is not, as the Trumpinistas seem to believe, not subject to "alternate facts."

I never said people should go out of business.
I never said people should have their houses foreclosed.

Why spread lies? Do you think lies are the only way to win?

 

you would only consider it proof if it convinced you dunning-kruger effect being what it is nothing will. so I would suggest people not waste their time trying to convince you.

I hope Trump wins in 2020 for no other reason but to cause you more stress. Maybe we can even see your head explode.

 

Proof is proof. You're still not entitled to you own "alternate facts."

AND

BWAHAHAHA

Look at the desperation in your mirror. Nov 5th, when the mail in ballots are done counting, and Trump is screaming FRAUD over his landslide loss and screeching at the top of his Twitter lungs that you should take up arms to defend and preserve his presidency, it is not my head that will explode.

Hell, sonny. Your collective heads are ready to explode now to the point that you do not care how many must die to ensure his reelection.

Still, when Trump is being perp-walked off the Capitol grounds to his well deserved retirement in a federal prison, I want you to know that we will include even the Trumpinistas in the Revival of America.

 

And you haven't proven a damn thing except that you're really bad a math, and your underlying assumptions are even worse hospitals and doctors are getting paid 13 k per covid death and 37k if they were ever on a ventilator. The 64k extra deaths are people foregoing cancer treatments and other necessary therapies because they're afraid to go to the doctor's office/hospital because of covid. Oh and how many more cases of assymptomatic covid do you think there are since people who are sick aren't going to spend the time to go to the doctor's office to get tested?

The available evidence at the very least suggest that there are far more people than we know about who have had covid likely by orders of magnitude.

 

Nobody should waste their time trying to prove to a flat earther that it isn't flat.

You are set in your beliefs the more evidence shown that they are wing the tighter you will cling to them.

 

Here it is again and it's not going away!- Your real motive is to promote the number of China virus deaths in order to paralyze the citizenry and make them government dependent!

 

I didn't publish the data. CDC did. The same CDC that's run by Trump. If you don't like the data blame Trump. I'm sure he'll be willing to change it.

Till then...

No one knows the real numbers. Our slow response, failure to do adequate testing, and, in some cases, purposeful obfuscation has ensured that. The expected deaths, adjusted for factors like less traffic, fewer bars open, and the like compared to actual deaths is the best measure we can have at this time. Your specious claims about cancer patients, a claim that has no basis in reality, do not change the fact that we have an additional 64k deaths recorded over and above expected.

If you've some basis for claiming to know the actual cause of these additional deaths and have a source to refer, please present it.

But save the false claims for your echo chamber where they will go unchallenged.

 

Your attack on me is irrelevant.

My motives do not change the data.

 

The more you pump yourself up now, the more pressure will be mounting in your head in November when it explodes!