Thoughts on Minneapolis and the riots

Minnesota is the Whitest state in that there is a higher percentage of people with blonde hair and blue eyes than any other state. Between the Civil War and World War 1, the US had opened up immigration to Scandinavians, including the Fins. Unlike other European immigrants who made their to America by way of Ellis Island and New York, the Scandinavians landed in Minnesota and spread westwards from there. As many as half the citizens of Minnesota have some Scandinavian ancestry. There is a reason their professional football team is called the Vikings.


Probably due to the greater part of the population having had arrived in the US after the Civil War had ended, Minnesota is one of those states that has long had laws that are friendly towards Blacks and other minorities, resulting in a migration into the state by minority migration and foreign immigration.


The thing about the police is that whereas conservatives cheer strong police action, liberals are abhorred by it. In an ideal liberal utopia, there would be no police. Half of the Bill of Rights concerns police action. If your Civil Rights are being violated, it is more likely than not that it is a law enforcement officer who is doing the violating. Police action is one of those sometimes necessary evils, not something to be desired or necessarily celebrated.


It is one of those things. Conservative rhetoric is always trying to accuse liberals of authoritarianism, yet bring up the subject of police action and see who the real authoritarians are.


Typically, across the country, the more red a jurisdiction, the more harsh the police tend to be and the more strict the courts. The more blue a jurisdiction the more lax the police tend to be, and the more lenient the courts.


There is another interesting pattern. Protests tend to be tolerated in liberal cities in much the same way that odd ball cultural minorities, tend to be tolerated. But you rarely see those protests in the Bible Belt much in the same way that you don’t tend to see a lot of tolerance for odd ball cultural minorities in the Bible Belt.


Seems to be a correlation to voting. When I was a young man, an older mentor type used to say, “If you don’t vote, you don’t have the right to complain”. Turns out, in those states that most tolerate protests, the rate of voter participation tends to be higher. And in those states, typically red, that don’t, the rate of voter participation tends to be low. Places like Minnesota, Colorado, Oregon, and Washington, where it is relatively easy to get a permit to hold a protest march in their major cities, voter participation is twice the rate of the Bible Belt. But then, dark red states do have a well earned reputation of suppressing the vote.


It may be, that in many blue states the people are more likely to vote and to protest, because they know that their government will be responsive to the will of the people. And that in red stares the people don’t protest because they know they will be met with a harsh police response and many don’t bother voting because they know the government makes it bothersome to vote and will continue to ignore them, regardless.

 

Red state conservatives don't violently protest because they're not immature lunatics, and they understand that violent protests are counterproductive and just stupid. Red state conservatives understand that the best way to effect change is to get up and work for that change, and to vote with their ballots and their wallets.

Blue state liberals, on the other hand, do tend to be violent, immature lunatics, and they don't care that violent protest is counterproductive and stupid. Blue state liberals are too lazy to work for the change they want, and it's easier, and far more fun, to destroy and loot what the hard work of other people created, while they pretend like it's accomplishing something.

 

These are not protests. These are mindless riots and an excuse to loot and destroy. It's always the same thing coming from the exact same demographics.

 

And yes, one of the big reasons why lunatic liberals riot in blue cities is because they know the government officials of those cities will tolerate their destructive stupidity, and they'll be "responsive to their will".

Which basically guarantees that these riots will keep happening again, and again, and again, etc...

 

The protests are legitimate and warranted. The looting is simple criminal thuggery. The looters are taking advantage of the protest to smokescreen their criminal thuggery, and the social engineers are taking advantage of both to push racial division.

And I think its likely that the social engineers have been instituting both racially targetted urban poverty and LE brutality to generate precisely this sort of dissorder and division. They create the problem and guide the reaction to a solution that benefits their agenda.

The only thing unclear imo is what their proposed solution will be. Nothing good, I'm sure...

 

Trump has now linked himself with police brutality. A vote for trump is a vote for police brutality.

Of course to those of us who recognize trump for what he is, this is not news. We have always known that this is where trump would land if left to run amok. We would have vigilante death squads enforcing abusive laws, just like Duterte, whom trump praised.

MAGA = Make Authoritarianism Great Again



And not to be forgotten

 

Personally I think it's completely idiotic to loot and burn the businesses and stores in the neighborhoods you personally live in, makes absolutely no sense. It happened in Boston in the 1960's and for several years thereafter there were no grocery or super markets in the African-American neighborhoods.

 

Considering most of the looters don't even live in the state they are arrested in, I wonder if there is more to the story...

 

So you have a part OP

1) you ponder about the riots - citing black friendly laws in a liberal state.

The riots in general - are a function of social unrest. This unrest is a combination of economic hardship - coupled with increased corruption at the top - and increasing Gov't /Police powers - at the expense of essential liberty.

Another driving factor is "unmet expectations" The American Dream is not a bright as it used to be - and not nearly as accessible to the average Joe ... Less so if you happen to be the average Black or Latino Joe.

There is only so much pie to go around - as the piece going to the 1% increases - the amount going to the rest of us decreases. This is coupled by social inequity and - generalized inequity... a Gov't with no respect for the founding principles - rule of law - essential liberty.


I call it the popcorn theory - you know - put the seeds in a pot with some oil and turn up the heat.

You look down into the pot - seeds in the bubbling oil - and say to yourself - " I wonder which one will pop first" ? I can not answer this question - however, what I can tell you, is that if you keep the heat on .. eventually - on of those seeds will pop.

I can't tell you which Ave Joe out there in the crowd is - for what ever reason - so upset that they pop. What I can tell you - is that if you keep the heat on - one will pop - then another - and if nothing is done - eventually the lid comes off the pot.

2) You then go on to propose that the violation of essential liberty - increased police powers and so on - more Gov't power - is because of the right.

"It is one of those things. Conservative rhetoric is always trying to accuse liberals of authoritarianism, yet bring up the subject of police action and see who the real authoritarians are."

It is true that Red wears "Republicanism" on their forehead but hate the principles of republicanism - they call for "limits to Gov't power" - but love to increase Gov't and Police power. Red Establishment has no respect for essential liberty.

Red now believes it is their patriotic duty to get down on their knees and beg to give up essential liberty for temporary security - security from a risk of harm that is 400 times less than the risk of harm from "walking"

So in this respect you are correct. Where you completely fail is in recognizing that Blue is just is bad.

Blue/ Blue Establishment hates the the principles of Classical Liberalism - and the founding principles - and has no respect for essential liberty. "If we could all be one happy Totalitarian Police Nanny state - life would be so much better"

The difference is that the hypocrisy of Blue is not quite obvious as on the Red side -so they are also better at hiding their evil ways.

Red and Blue Establishment often work together on increasing Gov't /Police power - stomping on essential liberty. The hot button issues - abortion, gay marriage, "the wall" - are not what to focus on if you want to find the devil. It is where they agree.

 

The whites had absolutely no problems burning out the blacks a hundred years ago, now it' is the other way around and the whites be scarred....

 

Except it's the blacks burning out other blacks and has been since the 60's. Scared, heck no just watching it on TV, having a beer and eating some popcorn.

#BLM

 

So what's this thread 13 on this very same subject?

 

At least. Damn Amish just have a way of getting press.

 

I'd heard this morning that all of the rioters arrested were from out of state.

 

Justice then?

 

Red State Conservatives generally have too much to lose by getting involved in criminal riots.

Not sure what might have happened if it was known that the Police would be running from protecting businesses in Minneapolis and basically creating an unprotected area.

Meanwhile, the street looters figured out pretty quick that there was no one around to keep them from looting except for other looters who wanted the same stuff.
Nothing quite like fighting over looted items like Smart phones and liquor.

 

I spent my childhood in Northeastern Ohio, in the middle of Amish country. I used to think that it was common for people to drive horse drawn carriages down the street. For awhile, our milk was delivered in a horse drawn wagon. I could never figure out why they called us English, when we are clearly Swedish.

It was living among the Amish, attending a Catholic school, and living in the shadow of a rising Baptist mega-churchism; seeing the differences was what convinced me that there was no god. That is was all just made up stuff.

 

Seems to me that the ones who are getting burned out are primarily the Black merchants and immigrants in these areas.

Out of 170 businesses damaged on Thursday night in Minneapolis, 137 were owned by minorities. And most of the others were franchises like Wendys and Auto Zone.

 

You really should clarify your statement.

DEMOCRATS had absolutely no problems burning out Blacks a hundred years ago.

Republicans have always advocated for Black freedom, Black citizenship and Black voting rights. It was the Republicans who gave us the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments.

 

The only whites that are scared of being burned out by blacks, are the whites who live in liberal-run blue Democrat cities.

What does that tell you about the success of progressive race relations policies in blue cities?

 

Yet it was Lyndon Baines Johnson, who through his 1957 and 1964 civil rights legislations and 1965 voting rights act, that gave Blacks real voting and civil rights in America. And Johnson's Great Society legislation helped lift many Blacks, along with poor whites, out of poverty.

It was the success of Johnson's efforts that led much of the South to turn Republican in revolt.


I'm not sure who you think that you are fooling.

 

Ummm, last time I checked, the majority of black men keep dying in blue states. So much for that protesting, huh?

 

ROFL, one of the worst Presidents in our country's history and his pathetic presidency elevated not a single man or woman in this country from poverty, in fact he bragged about the generational poverty it would cause. It was policies like his, that have caused the America today.

 

How’s that war on poverty going?