The C.S.A. Slaves and Mr. Lincoln's War

NUMBER 1:
Slaves were valuable property.
The idealization of owners being sadistic beasts is over done.



Certainly as Thomas Jefferson lineage proves, owners did have
some whoopie with their property.

Sadistic. Property exploitation?
Sally was half sister to Jefferson's wife and could have remained in France
quelle exotic and FREE.


If this thread evolves as I hope it does,
We Remember The 10th Amendments obfuscation over slavery
& and racial rights.


10th Amendment guarantees of State Powers
Such as Education.
And Health. Housing. etc. and so short and simply stated

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.​

Moi

Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic,
regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us.​

 

How does the Tenth Amendment obfuscate slavery?

 

Some of our present full time employees are still paid what slaves earned.The slaves received room and meager housing which is all that many present day employees can afford on their bare wages.

 

Which is why the term wage slave was created..To also note the creation of the word economic slavery was introduced around the same time.

 

What also sucks is it is the states which try to violate the civil rights of Americans more than the federal govt.

 

YOU got it backwards, whether by choice or

See #1 upload, please.

 

Take that up with the liberals who turned our education system to **** and has produced generations of people who don't qualify for anything but minimum wage. The idea of giving $15 dollars an hour to an illiterate makes no sense at all.

 

Did you need a private school to be able to actually want to learn?

 

I don't understand your question? When I was growing up American public schools were the finest in the world. Private schools provided warehousing for rich kids whose parents were too busy to raise them. Some were better than others but mostly it was about a name and the attendant prestige. From the 1960s on public school curriculum became diluted and the school days shorter. Public schools today are highly politicized and kids are indoctrinated. Most high school seniors these days couldn't find their arse with a map and a flashlight but can quote chapter and verse about how evil America is. My grandkids were mystified by my ability to do math with a paper and pencil, they know very little about American history and cannot identify the continents on a globe or map. One of my grandsons asked what I did in WWII and I had to tell him I that was around the time that I was born. They have no sense of what America is because the progressives are erasing our history and replacing it with their own narrative. America will eventually become a majority of easy to control dumbasses. By then every menial job will be automated and the majority will be on public assistance.

 

The old Forks in the Road Slave Auction building in Natchez, MS, no longer exists except for a location marker with the city having grown over the old location long ago. But some of the records and bills of sale do exist, and are displayed in the city's large Welcome Center. The experts say it took ten years on average to recoup the price of a slave, but after that came almost pure profit.

When the cotton price rose, slave prices rose, when cotton fell, slave prices fell. 1861 was the year of highest slave prices, tripling and quadrupling in a very short time. My guess is that the steep price rise reflected fear of a coming shortage of slaves in the South.

The Forks in the Road Slave Auction was the busiest in the USA, and there are records that a few free black businessmen also bought and traded slaves there.

For bad and for good the river runs wide and history runs deep at Natchez. Neither can be hid. One's a strong brown god according to T. S. Elliot, and one's morally ugly, but both are out in the open for all to see. Big Muddy will kill you, and reflections on the Forks in the Road will make you sad.

Afterthoughts: A lot of union soldiers and a lot of confederate soldiers are buried at Natchez. Slaves cost dearly and it cost dearly for the soldiers who freed them, and for those soldiers who tried in vain to keep the Old South.

 

The Union did not go to war (at least initially) in order to free the slaves, but the South seceded primarily to preserve slavery. The Union's primary goal was to reform the nation. The Confederacy's primary goal was to preserve their "peculiar institution."

 

Why would the south secede to "preserve slavery" when there was no legal or practical means of abolishing slavery in the south?

 

Every primary source from the time period that gives a specific reason for secession names slavery as that reason. The US had just elected a President who belonged to a new, explicitly anti-slavery party. The South saw their "peculiar institution" at risk. Whether or not you think their concern was rational does not matter. It was their primary concern when it came to seceding and founding a new country, rational or no. The primary sources are indisputable when it comes to this.

 

At risk from what? There was zero legal or practical path towards abolition at that time. Many northern politicians were preparing an amendment to expressly legalize slavery in the south perpetually. Lincoln repeatedly said he had no intention of abolishing or challenging slavery in the south. How do you reconcile that?

 

From being taken away.

Well, the fact that we did eventually pass an amendment outlawing slavery shows that there was a legal path. Add to that the fact that we have writing from Confederates lamenting the fact that the Constitution didn't do enough to protect their "rights" to own slaves (a mistake they corrected when they wrote their own Constitution), and the fact that the Republican party had already publicly announced their position that Congress had the Constitutional power to outlaw slavery . . . you start to get the picture.

The South regarded Lincoln and his party as extremist abolitionists, they feared the fact that they were losing the territory battle (which meant "unequal" representation between slave and free states), and they were outraged that free states were not respecting their slave-holding "rights," especially when it came to returning their escaped "property."

And, again, I'll repeat the point that you ignored: whether or not you think their fears were justified doesn't matter; we know, from their own words, that these were their fears.

The Corwin Amendment wasn't drafted until after states had already started seceding. It was a plan to try to stop further secession. And it, again, doesn't change the fact that we have Southern sources stating over and over and over again that their primary cause of secession was slavery.

Simple: the South didn't believe him. Lincoln had made several contradictory statements regarding his intentions, depending on his audience.

Again, whether or not you think it was a reasonable fear does not matter. It was their fear, whether it was reasonable or not.

I'll post some primary sources later, but for now, one will suffice to show the point I'm trying to make above. The following is from Georgia's Declaration of Causes.

 

@Ethereal

One more, this time from the first state to secede.

 

@Ethereal

And another

 

Capitalism was going to kill slavery, among developed or developing countries.

The South, at that time, was already deep in an era of decline. They were getting hammered by tariffs that were levied because of protective tariffs for the industry in the North.

In the North, the increases in population and in wealth was creating political muscle for Northerners. Some historians like to refer to a group of the Founding Fathers as the 'Virginia mafia'. The South had enjoyed playing a dominant role, and they didn't like losing the influence that they had had for a long time.

Poor Southerners relied on 3 things for food, wild pigs, foraging for nuts, and I forget the third one. In the first half of the 1800s they all went into decline. Prob overharvesting. In any case, you had a large number of very unhappy Southerners. You need to remember that the fear of rebellion is a constant, mortal fear for slave owners.

I imagine they saw it as a devil or the deep blue sea choice, and they picked the devil they knew.

 

Not according to the Confederate States.

The North paid the vast majority of tariffs. None of the secession documents mentioned tariffs at all, in any way, but they repeatedly mentioned slavery and identified it as the primary cause for secession.

 

Sabres had been rattling for many years. Everybody knew it was coming and that it was about slavery, and that the outcome would be by force of arms, not by rule of law.

 

I'm sure this won't be the last time that I quote the Cornerstone Speech in this thread, but . . .

"The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution African slavery as it exists amongst us the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the "rock upon which the old Union would split." He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted. The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old constitution, were that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally, and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with, but the general opinion of the men of that day was that, somehow or other in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away. This idea, though not incorporated in the constitution, was the prevailing idea at that time. The constitution, it is true, secured every essential guarantee to the institution while it should last, and hence no argument can be justly urged against the constitutional guarantees thus secured, because of the common sentiment of the day. Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the government built upon it fell when the "storm came and the wind blew."

Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth." - Alexander Stephens, Vice President of the Confederacy

 

Stephens was fundamentally wrong. Sabres were poised to draw blood to settle it the only way it could be settled. I'm a Southerner.

 

Cotton as a commodity was like oil today


Were cotton producing States denied access
to the Global Cotton Market by factory invested Yankees?


I know there deniers. <yawn>

 

The Union Navy blockaded every port from which cotton was shipped. Other countries stepped up cotton production and the shortages in England and Europe weren't that bad. The North could indeed make war on King Cotton, and as the war slowly ground on, confiscated cotton.