Trump Plans to Withdraw thousands of U.S. Troops From Germany, a Key NATO Ally

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  1. Dayton3

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    Not according to the U.S. Supreme Court.
     
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    Hiding behind institutions don't work for me
    Solidary confinement is considered in most countries as torture. You may a inmate is unruly put him in solidary confinement as a punishement. But as of his sentence.
    Its cruelty.
     
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    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    Tough.
     
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    Right in all accounts, btw when you pay your agent orange victims?
     
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    Sure its much for us, we have a far better economic policy, even in crisis we dont get mass unemployment. And excuse me, we have higher standards in security, seeing that chaos over there is indeed disturbing for us.
     
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    Thats exactly what i mean, its amusing.

    So you hear some americans say how great their country is. Best in world bla bla.

    Then you visit and see...its a shithole.

    Germany and i would say most of western europe is superior to USA in evry single aspect.

    We have a functional healthcare system. Our infrastructure is not rotten to the core. USA has lowest life expectance, highest child mortality in western world. In security index USA is place 121 from 158 countries, Germany is rank 15.

    USA has no functional law system, no functional police.

    And that flawed system more and more gets visible. The world sees how US healthcaresystem faltered under Covid-19. The world sees Trump as a clown. The world laughs about him. Trumps behavior fills the comedy in Germany and western europe. Its first time an american president is laughed at. In foreign politics USA plays no role. Its on a downward spiral.

    All those flaws always existed but could be hidden behind courage. But now the veil falls and the clown shows that there is nothing.

    I always wonder if persons like you wonder why all allies turn away from you? And why this happens now.
     
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    Trump Plans to Withdraw thousands of U.S. Troops From Germany, a Key NATO Ally

    Good, let them thousands of U.S. Troops spend their money on American soil. Screw those ungrateful NATO basturds that have been taking advantage of the US and short funding NATO for decades. We’ve been kissing the world’s butt for way too long spending trillions.
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    Just the free-loaders.

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    Poland could use the troops. If Germany wants more active duty troops on their soil, they can encourage Germans to enlist.
     
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    Shows how little you know. It doesnt make any difference if your troops are stationed in Germany or Poland. Infact of you station them in Poland, from strategic point of view, we have same or even higher security as before, since Poland is between Germany and Russia. That way in case of conflict the fighting is on polish soil. Meanwhile we can reduce our defense spending basicly on zero and can build luxury apartments on the empty bases.


    But that aside, there is no danger anyways, we have no enemies. But you bring up ideas that would screw you even further.

    You have nothing in the hand to build up any pressure. Because of that we simply dont care.
     
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    So far NATO only was used one time. In 2001 when USA cried for help.

    Why dont you reduce your defense spending by 60%?
     
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    What's wrong with Agent Orange? My dad used the same chemical to poison timber when he worked as a forester.
     
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    I used to work around dozens of agent orange victims at a VA hospital. Their lives had been destroyed,
     
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    Utterly impossible to do so and still fulfill U.S. defense commitments around the world. You're the one hear who whines about the U.S. not keeping to treaties it signs yet you suggest a cut in defense spending that would make it impossible for the U.S. to uphold its commitments to those treaties.
     
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    So, if the US left NATO, the US would cease getting involved in the Middle East on Saudi Arabia and Israel's side, would stop its alliances with South Korea and Japan, and generally stop having any national security interests in SE Asia? Or the Arctic? The US would close down its bases throughout Europe, Central Asia, SE East, South Asia, Africa, South America, Central America, etc?

    This ridiculous myth by ignorant, uneducated American peasants that the only reason for US high defense budget is because of "free-loading" European countries, hinges on a complete rejection of the fact that the US has national security/economic interests in countries throughout the world, that it uses its military to maintain. It is maintaining hegemonic power, not because "Europe" or anyone else asks for it, but because by creating and furthering overseas alliances - or dependencies in case of regimes that would fall if you didn't prop them up - you are keeping afloat a system that massively benefits US economic and national interests. That's been the intent from day one.

    It's precisely the same strategy every single other major power has employed before the US.
     
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    Did he also spray it over you?

    It contains Dioxin and is highly cancerous and causes hundredthousands of birth defects on vietnamese children. Not that they would matter for you, you also destroyed your own soldiers with it and treat them like ****.
     
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    War is hell. Perhaps you've heard the phrase. American veterans are treated well in the U.S. At least for the last 40 years.
     
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    You create the conflicts. Germany doesnt need any defense comittment. You break contracts left and right. Why not those? I tell you why. $$$. You ned constant war and coflict to survive. Your country cant exist in peace. You ignited the middle east.

    Your work can be seen in Libya, Syria, Iraq and beyond.

    Take my own nation Germany as example. You dont have bases here to protect us. Its only for your own interests.

    Germany is the hegemon of Europe. By keeping Germany in your orbit, you have influence over Europe. Thats your only intention, nothing else.

    You try to get influence over evry single regional hegemon. Germany in Europe. Brazil in South America. In Middle East you failed. You never had interest in Saudi Arabia, it was your 2nd choice, because the hegemon of that region is Iran. When the Shah felt and you were kicked out, you chose Saudi Arabia as option B. That backfired. Saudi Arabia is an artifical country while Iran is the hegemon for millenia. You try to create an artificial balance and thats why its so fragile. It needs your constante support to hold, because you try to stand against the natural order there.

    Now came Trump. A man with low intellectual capacity. He doesnt see how things work globally. He believes your own propaganda. When you believe your own propaganda, you fail.

    This decission is a good example for that. He thought by removing troops from Germany, he punishs us. While infact it has zero efffct on us and people here even celebrate it. Your own military officials compan how retarded that move is.

    A core principle of Russia is that the German - American alliance breaks.

    Trump is an absolute moron and its funny to watch. The negative sideffect is, that dieing empires tend to get violent inside and outside.

    We will have interesting future in the world. We enter the post american century.
     
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    yes so well, they live under bridges, get no compensations for the effects of the poison sprayed over them and treated like ****.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeless_veterans_in_the_United_States

    I have news for you, your stupid singing of the anthem and all that folklore **** doesnt do anything good.

    Maybe stop singing and pay them money. Or dont spray poison over them.

    Btw i have a question, when in USA, you dont expect a foreigner to stand up when your anthem plays? Just out of interest
     
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    It is a matter of simple good behavior to stand up, if that is the tradition of your host country.
    Anything else would be childish.
     
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    Utterly foolish and ignorant post. Try reading some books kid.

    You could start with "Hooked on Phonics".
     
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    You are the one making a big deal out of it.
    See? You should be sending Trump a thank you letter and an apology.
    And yet you go on and on and on about it.
     
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    Withdrawing all U.S. forces and access to bases in Germany would probably cost the U.S. a great deal MORE in defense spending.

    Because without the bases such as Ramstein, the U.S. would have to spend a great deal more on air and sea transport assets in order to retain the same capability.
     
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    Its also good behavior to be honest. I dont care about the US anthem nor does it mean anything to me.
     
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    Honesty is vastly overrated as a social trait. No wonder you're not married.
     
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    I´m married and my wife expects a baby in November.

    Why do you constantly make up bullshit to insult me? Just out of curiousity.
     

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