Hypothetical war with Iran

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  1. Iranian Monitor

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    Fine with me. I should have said they are already fueled, and can be launched quickly before being detected.
     
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    No. By the time a launch is detected, a mobile launcher can be taken to a different location and hidden.

    And, when it comes to Iran's submarine launched missiles, they have a very unique system to prevent the launch letting you know the location of the platform. The missile is carried in a capsule and fired away from the submarine. Like shown in these videos.

    https://www.military.com/video/iran-submarine-test-fires-anti-ship-cruise-missile


    https://www.popularmechanics.com/mi...4258/iran-torpedo-missile-combination-jask-2/
     
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    Something else you don't know about. Mobile missile launchers don't work that way. They have to be rock solid on the ground and steady when they launch a missile otherwise the missile will not fly accurately. This means outriggers (those large hydraulically actuated pads that come out of the sides of vehicles and wedge into the ground) must be deployed which of course means they must then be raised and stowed on the launch vehicle again. It normally takes several minutes. And in that time the radius in which a mobile launch vehicle can move is limited.
     
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    I don't know how familiar you are with American publications, but Popular Mechanics is not known for being accurate about technology military or otherwise. They tend to hype how things will work...20 years in the future.
     
  5. Iranian Monitor

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    I can post the same thing from a myriad of sources. Whatever popular mechanics is saying, is based on what Iran has shown.

    You can watch the way Iran's submarine cruise missile launch system works here.
    https://www.military.com/video/iran-submarine-test-fires-anti-ship-cruise-missile
    And if you could understand (which you don't) you could listen to the video from Iran that describes the system in detail here.
     
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    When all is said and done, while the US has more money to waste on its defense budget (simply because the US gets to print the currency that is the currency of international trade and reserve currency of other central banks, allowing it print paper money and IOU beyond its actual production and penalize countries it doesn't like), when it comes to quality and quantity, there is little that separates Iran and the US in terms of engineers, scientists and the human capital that goes into making these systems.
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    The US was supplying Iraq with war machines and munitions and "banned chemical weapons".

    Iraq would have been crushed without US support.

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    The war will be asymmetric. The USA uses KSA, Qatar, Oman, UAE, Bahrain and Kuwait facilities which means those countries will be susceptible to attack.

    The economies of KSA, Qatar, Oman, UAE, Bahrain and Kuwait would be destroyed by a US-Iran war. Those countries rely on expats to keep their economies and power systems running and ex-pats would escape in huge numbers if there was a war and most would never return.

    Iran has the ability to destroy the infrastructure of these countries both by acts of war and by internal insurrection and covert acts.

    This is probably the major reason Trump did not take action against Iran after the KSA oil field attack and the shoot-down of the US drone.

    The KSA attack and the US drone shoot-down also demonstrated that Iran has better technology than the US was aware of. This was a US intelligence failure.
     
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    The Iran-Iraq war I have already addressed. That was a long time, several decades, ago, when Iran was like the rest of the countries in the ME, without a genuine indigenous military capability. But in terms of US 'intelligence failure", it is true that the US did not believe what was already shown by Iran. It didn't believe it until its Global Hawk was brought down. The same way it didn't believe it until the Aramco facility was hit and even then, not until the Al Asad air base was hit. What Iran showed in each of these latter attacks was a capability regarding the precision of its cruise and ballistic missiles, that the US should have known. But it had basically fallen for its own propaganda, which focused on 'dismissing' Iranian "claims" (even ones confirmed by US intelligence and reconnaissance sources which its top leadership sometimes ignore) as Iranian "propaganda".

    Talking about the Global Hawk, we are at the anniversary of that shoot down and here is a video that shows the incident from inside Iran's unit that shot it down and a lot more.
     
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    Ah. You know your claim is full of poo.
    When you can demonstrate Iran's ability to seize ships with a platoon or so of weapons-free Marines that are unwilling to surrender let us know.
    Seize. Not sink.
    Remember your "seize" claim?
    Backed off of that, eh?
    The US also has the actual ability to obliterate Iran.
    Iran knows this. So do you.
    Why not?
     
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    Unsupportable nonsense.
     
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    I have no use for semantic games. Most people with common sense know that arrests and seizures are predicated on the implicit or explicit threat that if the person being arrested /(or vessel being seized) resists and doesn't comply, force will be used.

    In the real world, this is how it happened the last time Iran seized a vessel:
    1- British warship in the vicinity warned not to interfere and not to put the lives of its crew in danger.

    2- the British tanker is then seized, with Iranian commandos parachuting on the tanker from a helicopter.
     
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    Yes. And you have yet to demonstrate Iran's capacity to forcibly seize a US ship depended by a platoon or so of weapons-free Marines.
    Seize. Your word.
    Undefended vessels, or vessels unwilling to fight - and thus, irrelevant to the issue put to you.
    What do you think would happen to these "commandos" if they were to try this on a US ship defended by a platoon or so of weapons-free Marines?
    Answer: Nothing, as the Iranians know better than to try.
     
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    Graduating doesn't equal being competant at it. Not all engineering school are equal.
    And if you think Japan's engineer are bellow Iran's then youre more deluded that this trolling avatar has shown on this board.
     
  15. Iranian Monitor

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    While I wasn't comparing Iran with Japan per se, the videos I posted shows Iran among the top 10-15 in the relevant categories beyond number of graduates shown in the graph you are talking about. Medal winners in academic Olympiads in math, physics, and chemistry. Among the top 10-15 in patents. Among the top 10-15 in published cited articles in reputable international journals.
     
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    I would think you are smart enough to realize there is a staggering difference between seizing a vessel during PEACETIME and trying to seize one during a WAR!
     
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    And one willing/able to defend itself and unwilling to surrender.
    "Seize" and "sink", for most people, do not mean the same thing.
     
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    No one is talking about seizing a vessel during war! The whole discussion arose from another thread where I had said what is reported: namely, that Iran had warned the US that if the US seized or otherwise interfered with Iranian vessels delivering fuel to Venezuela, that Iran would reciprocate and seize US vessels in the Persian Gulf area.
     
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    Right.
    And we're -still- waiting for you to demonstrate Iran's capacity to seize a US ship with a platoon or so of weapons-free Marines.
    We -all- know Iran can hijack ships/screws with no capacity or determination to defend themselves - big whoop.
     
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    I have already responded to this enough times. Whatever you want to me to demonstrate with regard to a "platoon of weapons-free Marines" is irrelevant. Nor am I going to even bother with your 'Rambo fantasies". In the real world, Iran's warning was that it would reciprocate seizure of the Iranian tankers to Venezuela by seizing US vessels in the Persian Gulf area. These vessels would be quite similar to the British tanker Iran seized. And if there was a US warship nearby to try to interfere with the operation, Iran would similarly warn it to stay away. If the warning doesn''t work, then Iran would have to sink the warship or back down. The latter, based on past precedent, more what the US actually does after its 'threats' and 'warnings' go unheeded by Iran than the reverse.
     
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    Yes. You keep claiming Iran has the capacity to do (x) without demonstrating said capacity to do (x).

    Fact of the matter is, Iran has -zero- capacity to "seize" a US ship with the ability and the willingness to defense herself.
     
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    Any vessel, flying any flag, able and willing to defend itself, by definition cannot be seized. That is called a tautology. And not a very telling one in the context of any of the discussion. Just some semantic smoke screen that seems to work for you to ignore the actual precedents for seizure of various vessels by Iran. Including one with US marines on board.
     
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    :roflol:
    You board her, fight her crew, and seize her.
    That was SAD - please, try harder.

    Fact remains, Iran has -zero- capacity to "seize" a US ship with the ability and the willingness to defense herself.
     
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    If it has the 'ability' to defend herself, it means that it can prevent those things from happening successfully. What you said is a tautology.

    Now, if you are trying to ask about Iran's naval special forces, and want to learn about them, just ask.
     
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    Is john Bolton now advising Iran?
     

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