Top income brackets should be taxed at 99%.

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  1. bringiton

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    That's just factually false, as already proved. When people's earned wages are taken from them by taxation and used to subsidize landowning, increasing the prices of land titles, that directly impairs their ability to buy real estate. At the margin, it outright prevents many people from buying their own homes. That is simply a fact of arithmetic, and not subject to dispute.
    Oh, there are definitely laws involved, not least the ones that take people's wages from them and given them to landowners.
    So, back to your default position: blame the victim.
    That is nothing but more of your despicable ad hominem filth.
    Rape, murder and slavery are also "people acting like people."
    Like, deliberately abrogating others' rights with intent to inflict injustice on them, otherwise known as "evil"?
    All human progress to date has been achieved by people who were not satisfied with things as they were, and "dealt with it" by changing those things for the better.
    It's clear that you are again just makin' puerile ad hominem $#!+ up about me personally because you have no facts or logic to offer.
     
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    No. That is FALSE. Your claims are just flat, outright false as a matter of objective physical fact. You only need just compensation, not individual compensation. Proof: if five people go to a bakery and each take a loaf of bread, and the fifth one pays for all five, the baker has absolutely no right to demand that the others also pay him individually. So your claim, above, has just been proved objectively false as a matter of indisputable physical fact, like all your other claims.
     
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    If a person steals my right to liberty don't they need to compensate me?
     
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    Then you know you have been comprehensively and conclusively demolished.
    BWAHAHAHAHAAA!! Nor have you provided any links, because we have not been discussing issues of empirical fact that could be resolved by resort to external evidence.

    I normally don't use links because I rely on self-evident and indisputable facts of objective physical reality and their inescapable logical implications. I may provide links when opponents foolishly dispute specific facts of history, economics, etc. and won't take my word for the proof they are wrong, when they claim experts or economists disagree with me, etc.

    You, by contrast, are just a joke.
    BWAHAHAHAAAA!!! "Viable" means "able to live or exist," and is not an adjective that can grammatically be applied to facts. Sorta like "intrinsic" and "value." You are welcome for the English lesson.

    You know that I have stated numerous facts, far too many to enumerate individually. My first response to you in this thread was post #1259. In it, I identified the following facts:

    1. "They [i.e., my food and clothing] were initially owned by the people who produced them,"

    FACT.

    2. "and I then acquired them as a result of a series of consensual exchanges that conserved everyone's rights."

    FACT.

    3. "As land is never the fruit of anyone's labor, never produced by anyone,"

    FACT.

    4. "all private titles to land have always been based on nothing but forcible dispossession of all who would otherwise be at liberty to use it."

    FACT.

    My next response to you was post #1280. I invite you -- and all readers -- to read that post and count the number of facts I identified. Or do I have to rub your nose in those, too?
    No. That is just another bald falsehood from you, as proved above.
    Whereas YOU have offered NOTHING WHATEVER other than your own opinions, most of which I have either proved objectively incorrect with the relevant facts, or are despicable ad hominem speculations about me personally.
    That actually much more accurately describes YOUR "contributions" to the discussion, as I invite readers to confirm for themselves.
    From you.
    For any of your claims.
    On your part.
    You have yet to figure it out for yourself, so I am helping you.
    I have proved there is no such thing as intrinsic value, because value is what a thing would trade for, which always depends on the context of a given market at a given time.
    Try to restate that in English.
    <sigh> Natural resources can be intrinsic, and can certainly be depleted. Land's fertility can be intrinsic, and can be depleted (though it is not necessarily depleted by agriculture). VALUE, however, CANNOT be intrinsic because it is determined by the CONTEXT of a MARKET.

    Clear?
    So, that proves it is not an adjective that can grammatically be applied to "value." Thank you for proving me right and you wrong. Again.
    But more importantly, think.
    I wish I could be as optimistic about you.
    <yawn> I just demolished and humiliated you again.
     
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    Not if some other agency does. You can't demand to be paid double.
     
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    But they themselves owe me compensation, because they're depriving me of my right to liberty?
     
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    Which apologists for greed, privilege and injustice -- like you -- either do not care about or actively oppose...
    Claiming that the victims of extortion are simply exercising choice is sociopathic, like all the rest of your evil, blame-the-victim filth.
     
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    Nope. They owe compensation, and you are owed compensation, but that doesn't imply they as individuals must make compensation to you as an individual. I already proved you objectively wrong on that score by the example of the bakery, remember?

    Another example that proves you objectively wrong as a matter of objective, physical fact would involve an intermediary: say your boss needs some supplies at work, and tells you to go buy them. You give him the supplies, and ask to be paid. He tells you to submit the bill to Accounts, which pays you. You can't then turn around and demand that your boss also pony up because he got the supplies, can you?

    See how easily I always prove all your fallacious, absurd, and disingenuous garbage is fallacious, absurd and disingenuous garbage?

    Why can't you ever remember that I have already proved all your fallacious, absurd and disingenuous garbage is objectively fallacious, absurd and disingenuous garbage?
     
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    What an entertaining post, thank you! I needed a bit of non-political humor to brighten the day.

    Your saying you've done something, doesn't mean you've done it, and anyone reading your claptrap can plainly see it.

    I have a career to continue, a life to lead, and people to enjoy. You have yourself a marvelous day!
     
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    Of course they owe me as an individual. They are violating my right to liberty, so they owe me compensation. I demand $10,000,000,000,000 from everyone. That is the value on my right to liberty.
     
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    No, of course they don't, any more than individual taxpayers owe government employees their wages. Your claims continue to be nothing but fallacious, absurd, and disingenuous garbage.
    No, I already proved that claim objectively false. You have no right to demand that certain individuals make compensation to you as an individual, you are just being silly and disingenuous. In fact, if anything, it is government that is actually violating your right to liberty when it provides secure, exclusive land tenure to landholders, and thus government that owes compensation to all who are thus deprived of their rights to liberty.
    :lol: You have a funny -- i.e., absurd -- idea of what "value" means.
     
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    They've harmed me as an individual, so they need to compensate me. They've stolen my right to liberty.
     
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    <yawn> I again proved your claims objectively false. Deal with it.
    I provided the post number and direct, verbatim quotes that proved your claim was a bald falsehood. You make a lot of objectively false claims, and you don't seem at all embarrassed about that when I prove your claims are objectively false. That lack of conscience is characteristic of a sociopathic personality disorder.
    So, does that mean you are not going to waste any more of my valuable time with your false, absurd, and disingenuous garbage?
    :lol: You have been comprehensively and conclusively demolished -- again -- you know it, and you have no answers. Again.

    As gottzilla might say, another one bites the dust. Again.
     
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    Nope. You are owed individual compensation for what has been taken from you as an individual, but you self-evidently and indisputably have no right to claim it from them as individuals if you are already getting it from elsewhere, as I ALREADY PROVED TO YOU by the example of the bakery: i.e., you can't have your cake and eat it too.

    Clear?
    OK, so you agree that the landowner steals others' rights to liberty and thus owes just compensation. Good.
     
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    No, I'm just taking your argument to it's conclusion. So how does the farmer in Japan compensate me for stealing my right to liberty. Walk me thru the process.
     
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    No, that's objectively false, as I have already proved to you multiple times.
    He doesn't -- not least because the government that undertakes to secure your rights has no jurisdiction in Japan, and citizens of Japan likewise owe no duty of respect for the rights of people in countries where they have no vote. I already proved your claim that you are owed compensation by each individual who abrogates your rights is fallacious, absurd, and disingenuous garbage, like claiming that government employees have to go around to each citizen's house, cap in hand, and ask each one for a few pennies towards their wages. It's just cretinous, infantile and disingenuous tripe. And you know it.
     
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    He doesn't compensate me for violating my liberty?? That seems unjust for a filthy, thieving property owner not to compensate me for violating my liberty.
     
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    Good .. hold his feet to the fire.

    Imma get a cup of tea and a cookie.
     
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    You apparently have some kind of issue with the idea of free choice and agency, since you deplore even the suggestion of people choosing 'failure'. You appear to dislike that prospect so much that you've convinced yourself it's not possible. Quite literally, denying human agency.
     
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    Yes, he does, as I have already explained to you very clearly and patiently, multiple times, in clear, grammatical English, and you always disingenuously pretend not to understand. He compensates every citizen whose liberty he violates, not just you individually via a one-to-one transaction. And you get compensation from everyone who violates your liberty, not just him individually via a one-to-one transaction. Just compensation is effected in both directions through the community, as that is what makes justice practical. One-to-one transactions of everyone with everyone else is not a practical system, so because you hate justice, you are now disingenuously pretending that only one-to-one transactions between everyone and everyone else can effect just compensation.
    Oh, he does, as I have already explained to you very clearly and patiently, multiple times, in clear,grammatical English, and you always disingenuously pretend not to understand. It merely is not achieved through a one-to-one transaction with you as an individual. That's what makes justice practical. But of course, you hate justice, and that is why you are disingenuously pretending that only an impractically large number of one-to-one transactions could effect just compensation. However, as you know, that is nothing but your absurd and disingenuously obtuse refusal to understand what I have already explained to you in very clear, simple, and grammatical English, multiple times.
     
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    So I get my compensation from the Japanese farmer how exactly?

    Btw, perfect grammar. Top marks!
     
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    :lol: You can't seriously imagine Longshot's absurd and puerile nonsense caused me even a moment's hesitation, can you?
    Yes, well, keep your hands out of the fire. You might get burnt, like Longshot.
     
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    What on earth do you incorrectly imagine you think you might be talking about? Compensation for what? Are you going to make compensation to him, and everyone else on earth? Your infantile and disingenuously obtuse absurdities are just boring.
    What are you talking about? You didn't read what I wrote, so how would you know if it was grammatical? That's why you haven't even attempted to respond to it, and presumably why you haven't understood it or responded to it no matter how many times I repeat it.
     
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    I'm talking about the Japanese farmer compensating me for violating my right to liberty. How does this happen. Walk me through it.
    Oh, c'mon, you need to learn to graciously accept a compliment.
     
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    You are just makin' ad hominem $#!+ up again. No surprises there.
    No. That is false. It's just that unlike you, when I see someone trying to run a race while staggering under the weight of parasites riding on their back, it is not my first or only instinct to blame them for "choosing failure."
    Oh, I'm sure it's possible. It's just not a very plausible explanation for their "failure," given the presence of the parasites.
    So, quite literally, just makin' $#!+ up again: i.e., more of your usual evil, blame-the-victim filth.

    No surprises there, either.
     

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