Corona Virus Update

It is not about protecting you as much as it is about protecting others and by that I mean the whole community

if you lived in my part of the world you would not need a mask because we have only a handful of cases but places like Japan and China and other Asian countries who have habitually masked up at the drop of a virus have not had the infection rate America has seen

 

And how does me wearing a mask protect others?

More so if I wear the most common mask I am seeing sold that has a check valve in the front of it.

 

The non check valve mask obstructs virus laden particulates from being broadcast several feet hitting other people. Any obstruction helps.

Ever look at your hand after you sneeze or cough into it? Lol Masks should be mandatory if you venture into stores or places with other people.

Getting the idiots to be responsible and wearing them is difficult. They claim they are useless as medical people live in them all day. But the idiots know better than medical people...hence they are idiots. No excuse for it. Perhaps Asians wear them and have for years due to on average they have higher IQ.

 

OK delete that post I made for we are not allowed to call some Americans idiots or dumb asses. Unless you are trump.

These people are just confused and for now that term should be acceptable. Yet it should apply to trump as well.

 

The AAPS are crackpots:

"The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) is a conservative non-profit association founded in 1943. The group was reported to have about 5,000 members in 2014. The association has promoted a range of scientifically discredited hypotheses, including the belief that HIV does not cause AIDS, that being gay reduces life expectancy, that there is a link between abortion and breast cancer, and that there is a causal relationship between vaccines and autism. It is opposed to the Affordable Care Act and other forms of universal health insurance."​

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_American_Physicians_and_Surgeons

 

Place your hand in front of your mouth and blow on it. Now place a paper tissue in front of your mouth and again blow at your hand. Feel the difference? What you are blowing out are nitrogen and oxygen molecules which are thousands of times smaller than a virus particle. So how can that very porous tissue have such a dramatic effect on the movement of those minuscule air molecules?

 

What I don't understand is why the feds aren't using the Defense Production Act to make n100 respirators with HEPA filters...



... so we don't have to shut down when the virus gets out. 3M won't like having their patents ignored, but too bad. Having the government manufacture 340m masks and associated filters is a lot less expensive than shutting down. (I realize a wide range of truly effective PPE is needed and my mask above is only an example.)

Let's say we spent a lot of money on PPE and they come up with a vaccine, cure, and/or effective treatment and the equipment is no longer needed. We had fifty aircraft carriers at the end of WW2--how many Americans regretted having more than we seem to have required?

 

Actually that doesn't work that well, first some of the droplets pass right through the mask and those that don't will stay on the mask until they are almost completely evaporated and then they will be pushed out of the mask each time the person exhales, allowing that person to literally contaminating a much larger area than if the person wasn't wearing a mask.

Think about it, if those masks trapped all the moisture from a persons breath they would become soaked in short order, but they don't get soaked, because they do not trap all of the moisture.

And the reverse works the same way inhale a contaminated droplets and the moist droplets may stick in the mask as they dry out they will release and still be inhaled passing whatever is in them to the person inhaling.

Wearing a mask designed to trap particles that is not changed out on a regular basis say hourly is more dangerous than not wearing a mask at all and wearing a homemade mask is a real foolish joke.

You want to protect yourself from a virus you need to purchase a 3M half face piece respirator equipped with a milti-gas vapor cartridge, anything less is just a social feelgood "hey look at me I'm wearing a mask" thing.

However if people really cared and had some common sense that would carry a pocket full of WypAll's in their pocket, such as I do, got to sneeze or cough, cover the face with one and properly dispose of it (don't just drop it on the ground) as soon as possible, they can also be used .

WypAll's are inexpensive and a person can fold and carry a half a dozen in their back pocket I just bought 30 box's of them, but some in out vehicles and gave the neighbors some too.




Of course the best way to prevent cross contamination to stay at home alone and have a few months of food and other supplies on hand, unfortunately unless you are living off other peoples money, that's a little hard to do without going broke, and remember everyone in the home must stay at home, if anyone goes out they can come back and share the virus they just caught with everyone in the home after a week or so.

I know very well what is looks like from a side shot of such out in the sun.

And medical people are constantly disposing of the masks as the move from patient to patient, knowing fully well a contaminated mask can spread a virus, which the idiots wearing them outside all day long don't seem to understand.

[quote[No excuse for it. Perhaps Asians wear them and have for years due to on average they have higher IQ.[/QUOTE]

No they wear them because they can filter soot (particles) from the exhaust of motor vehicles and that is one of the use's they where designed for and that makes sense.

It's just like the fools who wear Nitrile gloves, it is well known if one touches a contaminated surface and then their mouth or eyes, they will cross contaminate themselves, putting on gloves and doing the same thing will have the same result.

Now one could always keep some gloves in their pocket too and after touching something, properly dispose of them, but that gets expensive and finding Nitrile gloves right now is becoming tough, almost as tough as trying to find real 3M N-95 masks.

In the end though the most practical way to prevent cross contamination is to always carry something to cover your mouth and nose for when you cough or sneeze and dispose of it properly as soon as possible, and the same applies to a mask, if you sneeze or cough in one, take it off and dispose of it properly as soon as possible, other wise, if you are infected, you are basically a mobile infection spreading machine.

 

And you point is?

Moisture evaporates and then will leave the tissue as a muck smaller particle allow to pass through someone else's mask and go deeper into someone's lungs than larger particle will.

 

HEPA filters are a good step in the correct direction, however Gas Filters are just a little more money and work much better, and with one on you will not have to smell that drunk next to you on the subway or bus.

Now at home if you really want to go over the top install a electrostatic air filter and a U.V.A. lamp in your exhaust duct, I installed those in all 3 of the homes I owned and since doing that we haven't had a instance where a family member came down with something and spread it to the rest of the family.

When my son was going to school he seemed to bring home everything flu virus going around but neither my wife nor I ever got sick, they really do work.

I got the idea decades ago working in the mechanical room of Memorial Central, they had this huge and I mean huge chiller based A/C in the room, I noticed on a door a sign stated U.V. room do not enter without U.V. safety glass's on and full body covering, I being inquisitive wanted to know what was going on in there, so I opened the door and took a quick peek. the airflow for the intake side of the system was pulled through this room and inside was a huge bank of 8' U.V.A. lamps, I wondered why did they spend that kind of money, so I did some research and discovered U.V.A kills many bacteria and damages virus's so they cannot reproduce even if inhaled, in the process I discovered how clean a electrostatic filter can clean the air.

The system wasn't all that expensive, the one I decided to use made by Honeywell was only $650 and a Honeywell U.V. system was only $135, money well spent for the protection they provide, and eventually the air filter will pay for itself as the cells, pre and post filters can just be washed out, I don't ever need to buy filters again and they have a much lower air restriction factor than the HEPA filters I was using prior and like a HEPA they are real good at trapping cat dander, which I am allergic to and with 2 cats that is important.



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No they wear them because they can filter soot (particles) from the exhaust of motor vehicles and that is one of the use's they where designed for and that makes sense.

It's just like the fools who wear Nitrile gloves, it is well known if one touches a contaminated surface and then their mouth or eyes, they will cross contaminate themselves, putting on gloves and doing the same thing will have the same result.

Now one could always keep some gloves in their pocket too and after touching something, properly dispose of them, but that gets expensive and finding Nitrile gloves right now is becoming tough, almost as tough as trying to find real 3M N-95 masks.

In the end though the most practical way to prevent cross contamination is to always carry something to cover your mouth and nose for when you cough or sneeze and dispose of it properly as soon as possible, and the same applies to a mask, if you sneeze or cough in one, take it off and dispose of it properly as soon as possible, other wise, if you are infected, you are basically a mobile infection spreading machine.[/QUOTE]

 

The virus has not got a brain, legs or wings! It's effectively a fat that will stick to a surface and cannot escape from that adhesion. Moisture on a mask will not evaporate as it is constantly wetted by breath. You haven't explained how a porous paper tissue dramatically reduces the passage of air molecules yet according to you "virus's are way too small for a particulate mask to filter out". Any mask is better than no mask

 

It is only better if you wear it for short period of time 5 - 10 minutes, i.e. until virus penetrates all levels of tissues (after that mask gets contaminated and essentially become a bag of viruses that spreading out with every breath, sneeze and cough).

 

The mask reduces the speed of ejection of the virus which is the point.. If the person is infected then they would be spreading the virus with every breath, sneeze and cough anyway. That sneeze or cough will travel many yards at great speed and in a concentrated form within each globule when a mask is not used. The size of the virus load ingested is what determines whether a person will get infected

 

You're right about it. There may be some elected officials and maybe more that could make it mandatory for the people of this nation to wear the masks or else.

 

Feets are not yards.
[According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the World Health Organization, the novel coronavirus is primarily spread by droplets from someone who is coughing, sneezing or even talking within a few feet away]
https://www.scientificamerican.com/...spreads-through-the-air-what-we-know-so-far1/

The same article says.
[But anecdotal reports hint that it could be transmissible through particles suspended in the air. ]

i.e. mask can create more harm then good, by allowing accumulation of great amount of viruses on the surface and blowing all of them into the air after person cough or sneeze.
Any way you slice it, there is no definite evidence that mask somehow will reduce number of sick or dead people.

 

Or else what, are we going to send people to prison if they don't wear one, maybe out them against a wall and execute them, would that please you, where does the line between our freedom and oppressive government get drawn, and who is going to pay for these masks?

Right now depending where one buys them they can run from a couple of dollars to as much as five dollars each, considering for one to be properly equipped they will need at least eight per day, that's somewhere between $16 and $40 per day, that's $480 to $1200 per month, are you willing to pay for my masks, if not stick your idea where the sun doesn't shine.

 

Bull crap, most of exhaling will not be trapped by a mask the moisture exhaled will pass through a standard pulp base mask, a sneeze or better yet a cough produces droplets by their weight quickly drop to the ground unless you are sneezing in a hurricane.

 

Going by your theory the number of infections would be practically zero

 

President Trump is coming under growing pressure from Republicans and Democrats to set an example for the country by wearing a face mask as the number of U.S. coronavirus cases hits new highs.

Sen. Lamar Alexander (R., Tenn.), who chairs the Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions, told CNN Sunday that it would help if Mr. Trump wore a mask in public because it might eliminate political stigma associated with the practice.

It would be a good idea if Trump would set the example of a face mask or something like it. Trump has shown bad influences when it has come to the Coronavirus. What makes Trump so special anyway?

 

Good point. As long as we might spend $$$ on respirators...

What I don't get is why we don't use the Defense Production Act to make PPE for the general public. We could dramatically cut transmission if we had an outbreak.

My wife and I taught school for decades and neither of us ever got the flu. Go figure. But your idea seems make a lot of sense.

I'm a huge fan of cats (what other animal chooses to return if you let it outside?), but I don't know if I'd have them around if I was very allergic to cat dander.

 

That doesn't make any sense at all, why would my theory reduce the number to zero, that seems like a huge exaggeration on your part.

 

Hey get a clue, he does wear a mask when not speaking to media.

 

And more importantly they let me back in when I go outside.
However we have one who has learned how to operate the lever lock on our front door, three in the morning I wake up and wonder what that noise is, it was the alarm system timing down on it's entry delay, then as I was getting out of bed and preparing to go and investigate why, the alarm went off activating the sirens, wife wakes up quickly I shut down the sirens and note on the keypad a front door activation, going slowly and carefully, rifle in hand, I saw our front wide open, I went out the back door, circled around the home scanned the area, it was clear, but I found our black cat hiding under my truck.

After that incident the deadbolt and the lever lock is now locked every night.

Smart little bugger, he watched us opening the door enough times he figured out how to let himself out, I still haven't been able to teach him how to turn the alarm on and off, so the deadbolts will remain locked until he gets that right.

 

It would cost billions of dollars and the system would be abused by those wishing to make a profit off of it, our government cant properly understand how to wipe their fanny properly, the last thing we need is for them is to get into the PPE business, think $600 toilet seats and political kickbacks in the multi millions.

It's not that complicated, stay healthy, and for the most part you can weather the storm, the people who are at risk, have underlying conditions, HIV, respiratory problems, smoking cigarettes and pot, older age, or on cancer treatments that are wreaking their immune system.

If you don't fit into any of those slots, you will be fine.