Blacks not responsible for most crime

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  1. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is ridiculous.

    #1, you make a claim with numbers that don't consider the entire situation.

    If you have 1000 people in a room, and 12 of them are black, and blacks commit 50% of all murders.... jesus, certainly you can see this issue. I mean, a 3 year old could grasp this.


    #2, you then make the claim that profiling all blacks as murders is wrong.


    So basically, you present cherry picked incomplete data and then stack a strawman argument on top of it.


    Unfortunately, you aren't even capable of seeing how ridiculous you are... so I bow out. I don't have time to waste on a lost cause.
     
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  2. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And there are 283.2M non-blacks in this country that commit 3,196 murders.

    That equals .000011


    Blacks - .0001

    Not Black - .00001


    If you can understand decimal points, thats a LOT more.
     
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  3. quiller

    quiller Well-Known Member

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    Fun wit' math, hey? He's giving dense a bad name.
     
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  4. truth and justice

    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    I would be more concerned about those who commit random murders, not black gang member on black gang member murders
     
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    quiller Well-Known Member

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    One assumes that final sentence does not particularly care about gangbanger violence. Let them fight. May the last man win. Oh, wait. We let Capone run loose for years. Look how many died to oppose him.

    We hear the left saying a minority of cops are viciously murdering black youth, when the truth is obviously the reverse. Chicago just set a new homicide record. Watch for Minnesota voters to turn on their own Mogadishu infestation. Watch Trump win reelection --- the Silent Majority is just clearing its throat.
     
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  6. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    sorry, but if you think .0001 of a population gives you the right to harrass and assume criminal activity of 45 million people, you're just fishing for reasons to hate black people.
     
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  7. Spim

    Spim Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yet you're blaming the system.
    Maybe I'm just looking at this too simplistic but liberating the minds of children just means they have to open them up and listen.

    The resources are there, but could always be improved.

    There is a poverty culture that is self destructive, throwing $ at it has had negative roi, the culture seems broken.

    How can it be fixed? That's the honest question. Can it be fixed?
     
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  8. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Circles and more circles we go! Whee!

    Nice strawman.

    Sorry the facts don't align with your agenda.
     
  9. Phyxius

    Phyxius Well-Known Member

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    BOTH sides of this argument are wrong. You're both only looking at half of the picture - the number of arrests. To get the full picture, you have to factor in the number of arrests vs the number of crimes committed - the case clearance rate.

    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/topic-pages/clearances
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    For example:

    The chart shows the number of homicide arrests in 2018 - 8,957. What it doesn't show, however, is the number of actual homicides in 2018 - 16,214.

    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/topic-pages/murder

    So with 4,778 arrests of blacks in 16,214 murder cases, that gives us an effective rate of 29.4%. A bit less than 53.3%, eh? It also makes you question the effectiveness of police who couldn't be bothered to solve 7,257 murders that year, and where the $115 billion local and state governments spend on law enforcement is going. Maybe if they focused on violent crime instead of revenue generation and choking people to death?
     
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    Not much wood.

    "A new survey has found that a third of young millennials in the U.S. aren’t convinced the Earth is actually round. The national poll reveals that 18 to 24-year-olds are the largest group in the country who refuse to accept the scientific facts of the world’s shape."

    "Another nine percent said of young adults said they thought the planet was spherical but had doubts about it. In a disturbing display of indecision, 16 percent of millennials said they weren’t sure what the shape of the planet was."
    CBS, A Third Of Millennials Aren’t Sure The Earth Is Round, Survey Finds, Angela Lang, April 5, 2018.
    http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2018/04/05/millennials-flat-earth-survey/

    OTOH, our schools are able to mass produce wooden heads. ;-)
     
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    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    Ordinary Americans across the spectrum are coming to that conclusion.
    That is probably one reason the latest Trafalgar poll shows Trump's approval among black Americans has risen from 22% to 37% since the murder of George Floyd.
     
  12. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    So you are arguing that it doesn't matter that a population that commits almost twice as many violent crimes percentage wise as it's per cent of the population shouldn't also have twice as many violent confrontations with police as its percent of population?
     
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  13. Phyxius

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    See post #184
     
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    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    Of course I am blaming the system. The education boondoggle should be abolished right along with the police departments.

    Imagine if the British had paid the Pilgrims to reject marriage, made sure their schools did not teach, and encouraged rampant crime in their communities, while paying them to shun work. You would have seen the same results after a generation or so that you see now in the black community.

    The problem is not race. The problem is the systematic, persistent entrenched base racism that has always infected a significant part of the leadership of the progressive movement and most of the leadership of the Democrat Party.
     
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    Why are these people even being arrested in the first place? What sort of friends and associates do they have, what are they doing, and what face are they presenting to the world, that they're actually viewed as suspects?

    To torque it another way - in these situations, how many 'suspect' arrests are of dorky looking black-skinned Indian Americans, out and about with the wife and kids?
     
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    crank Well-Known Member

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    Great post, thank you!
     
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    Spim Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not sure of the exact slang used during pilgrim times but i expect the pilgrims would have said F off.

    Blame the leaders, fine, but It takes two to tango.
     
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    Sorry it doesn't even begin to address my argument.
     
  19. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And more strawman fallacies and regurgitating the same illogical nonsense.

    I knew it was a waste of time.
     
  20. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm betting if you correlated the high crime countries with countries that have low IQs you'd find some matches.
     
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    Dude, they committed the most murders in total numbers and by percentage. Yet you want us to believe white nationalists pose a bigger threat.
     
  22. Ddyad

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    The pilgrims actually tried collectivism. Epic fail.
    You need a powerful state with authority and resources to idle the able and subsidize their idleness to pull off what has happened here.
     
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    That relationship is also statistically very strong both within countries and between them. The human brain is the most delicately balanced organ system known. Any slight malformation, trauma, genetic deficiency or sub-optimal pre-natal conditions, exposure to drugs, lead, or other toxic substances, chronic illness, infection, allergies, or unfavorable environmental influences, especially in early childhood, can dramatically affect any number of brain functions in unpredictable and almost always negative ways. General intelligence (g or IQ) is one of the first functions affected. Personality, emotional stability, social skills, etc. are also in play. Other organs are not nearly so sensitive: you can have a dodgy heart, a weak liver, sub-optimal kidney function, and many other kinds of health problems, and still live a pretty normal life. But if your brain is affected, your expected life outcomes immediately plummet. It would be astonishing if there were no relationship between crime rate and IQ.
     
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    Your raw data is right, but your conclusions are dead wrong. What this data tells us is that on a per capita basis, blacks are twice as likely to commit violent crimes in the first place. If you further filter for gender and age, you'll find that black males between their mid-teens and mid-thirties are violent bunch indeed. They say there are lies, damned lies, and statistics. You're using statistics to demonstrate that what you desperately WANT to be true is exactly the opposite of what the reality is. Now, if by me pointing out the FACTS inspires you to label me a racist, have at it. But we both know the truth.
     
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    Here's a better link for you Ronstar.

    Black killers-5025. White Killers-4188

    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/tables/table-43

    Anyway, do you realize how ridiculous you look here? You're admitting that 13% of the country commits a quarter of the crime.

    It means blacks are far more likely to be criminals than any other race.
     

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