And of course the baby she's carrying isn't human, thanks for the Nazi schtick. Oh and that doesn't prove your point at all.
I'm aware this wasn't addressed to me, but I have a question for you. Outside INTEGRITY, what can't be granted, given, taught or bought?
Then , AGAIN, FoxHastings said: ↑ Fine, then the government should NOT ban abortions. As I said, Government wouldn't BE involved if people left women and their rights alone and didn't try to destroy them.""" Do you agree since you state the government shouldn't be involved for any reason ??? C'mon, you can say it....
YOU posted : ""Where's your evidence that it's strictly the woman's choice?"" I responded :" FoxHastings said: ↑ The fact that she is the only one pregnant. It is her body, no one else's, and women have the basic human right to bodily autonomy just like everyone else."" That is the correct factual answer. Can you deny it?? Prove it's false? Of course NOT. No where did I say the baby wasn't human. Nazi schtick is when one lies about what people posted and they have no good answer so they have to bring up Nazis..
A worthy question. Note that to qualify "taught"- Learning requires a good teacher, but no matter how good the teacher- it also requires a student eager to learn it and live it. The teacher cannot do it alone. However, a hungry student will learn even if no teacher is there. It is the student that determines how and what is possible for them. The teacher can facilitate the process, IF the student is ready to learn. But- what is to be learned? Self respect- in the genuine form, perhaps the most valuable of all personal qualities- comes from your being willing to adopt and live by standards that you can personally admire. Makes no difference if anyone else knows or agrees- it is what the person knows of themselves that control it. Personal values; the underlying principles such a person must have and come to respect, must be lived and honored 100%. If that person cheats and yet is never exposed- he still knows he has violated himself, and his self-respect is lowered. Self-confidence goes with it, and is earned by consistently following values you respect. The values you set become your identity. When you genuinely like that person- you have made the best friend anyone can have. You never abuse that. IF you confuse "peer respect" with self respect, you seek your self-worth in the way others treat you. When you do that- those others own you; they can arbitrarily make you nothing anytime they choose by changing their attitude. Right now, we have people rioting, demanding "respect" by means of threats. People may give them lip service to fend the treats off- but there can be no genuine respect for such despicable conduct. I know those people haven't a shred of self respect, because if they did they would not choose that route to solve a complaint. They are demanding you and I to give it to them or else- but it is impossible to give them anything genuine, so what they get is a fake, an illusion of respect which they will always know is not genuine, and which will never fill the void they feel inside themselves. The word "self" in self respect is literal- it can come only from the individual, and it cannot be faked. No matter what kind of facade you put on, inside you will always know if it's genuine or not... and fake will forever undermine you. While peer respect is nice to have- it is of no importance compared to self-respect. IF you have genuine self-respect, there is no question I will have respect for you- because I know that your values will be worthy of it. Further- my opinion of you, good or bad, will not diminish your opinion or yourself, for only you will have that power. Having money that is not earned may support people intermittently, but it does nothing to give them independence- just the opposite; it enables dependence and helps them avoid the challenge. For a person to know they are independent- they must be able to make it on their own, not need someone to prop them up. Only then will they know that they are free, that they are whole and in charge of their own destiny. Money earned has value you appreciate- and you treat it wisely. Money given to you has none. It will buy things, but it will never make you proud or strong. It's not at all the same. These things are not easy to acquire if you don't have them- but how hard that is depends on how you think of yourself; how your mind works. It's far less a physical or financial challenge than a mental one. You have to prove yourself to yourself, and nobody can help- or the prize is not yours. When you have done this, everything changes. It's like you have cured dozens of social ailments with a single step, because you have finally cured the disease instead of trying to treat the symptoms. There is no need to diminish others, in fact you want them to find that same strength and independence, because you know that genuinely strong people make the world you live in better, and they are no threat to you. You feel genuine compassion, perhaps for the first time in your life, you can actually give gifts rather than trading obligations and duty. You acquire a wisdom in making decisions, and find you can see and side-step bad situations before you fall into them. Good people are drawn to you, bad ones will avoid you. Everything changes- and without fixing "everything". It all takes place inside you. Then- you have the ability to control what is actually in your control, and you have the capacity to solve problems that involve us all- through cooperation with others who understand this. This is the social vaccine where people stop preying on one another, start respecting others as a norm, and do their best to carry their own weight, because they highly value that independence. Imagine living in a world where we all self-regulated, and would not steal from each other because that would destroy our self-respect- and our strength- and the wisdom to simply by-pass those who are not yet capable of that. The reality of how life really works is constantly in front of people- unseen. Nature functions on it, it is readily visible if you understand how to look at it. I spent some years teaching what it is, how it works, and how to put it in place- but sadly found out that the lack of the knowledge was not the problem. The real barriers to having this capacity and thereby power over your own life, are in overcoming the misinformation that society has been spoon-feeding you since you were born, sorting out the trash so you can find the treasure. As one psychologist who took my class said- it requires a lot more courage to clean that out than most people can find. He was right, even giving people a roadmap doesn't mean they can make the trip. An old oriental proverb explains it this way- "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear".
Yes, and if abortion was banned she'd be under pressure to gestate....so to you it's OK to pressure a woman to gestate but wrong to pressure her to abort...(??) It's wrong to pressure a woman either way. And, no, not all women are pressured. And it is still THEIR decision whether pressured or not. Just because some jerk pressures a woman that does NOT TAKE AWAY HER RIGHT TO HER OWN BODY.
Who should ban them ? The Boy Scouts? If they're banned it would be the GOVERNMENT that bans them.....government interference that you are so against
FoxHastings said: ↑ Yes, and if abortion was banned she'd be under pressure to gestate....so to you it's OK to pressure a woman to gestate but wrong to pressure her to abort...(??) It's wrong to pressure a woman either way. And, no, not all women are pressured. And it is still THEIR decision whether pressured or not. Just because some jerk pressures a woman that does NOT TAKE AWAY HER RIGHT TO HER OWN BODY. STILL having trouble addressing my posts....
You seem to forget that GOVERNMENT made it legal in the first place. Yes I am against government interference.
Yes! I volunteered to tutor inner-city kids and all of them moved up at least two letter grades. Some were very "stuck" early on and many didn't care. However, I was always able to identify the "gap" between where a student was to where they needed to be, teaching concepts versus answers. Once the concept is learned, they could use it for problem solving. A student that can think for himself/herself is the greatest gift a teacher/tutor can receive. I am fortunate to have had those experiences as I, too, learned something from all my students. Understandable. However, some people simply do not have the ability to honestly evaluate themselves which often leads to rationalizing those behaviors and actions that should ping their moral and ethical compasses. The most glaring cases are seen in serial killers and mass murderers. Self-respect is much harder to adopt and learn for people who've been systematically abused for years and years. While it's not impossible, it's very difficult to erase those negative tapes and develop the self respect and self confidence one needs to truly thrive in life. As much as I dislike the way they are behaving, I completely understand the motivation behind it. Are they going about it in the *right* way? No, but that's the result when a people have been so downtrodden, ignored and vilified for nothing other than the color of their skin (or some other discrimination). Nevertheless, you are correct in that any *respect* they receive will be insincere, but respect is not what they are seeking. I have always hated the old adage "Fake it until you make it". We have more than enough fake people in the world! ;0 Understandable, although, I disagree that peer respect doesn't matter. How other people perceive you is a huge part of your acceptance and likability and, more often than not, people's perceptions, even incorrect, can have an impact on one's life. I, personally, have always struggled with this as I am very quiet and introverted. Most people perceive that as me being anti-social and snobby. I'm neither. I just don't allow myself to get caught up in idle gossip, hatred and other things people do to harm others. However, I have no choice but to try to get along with these people because they can negatively impact my job and/or housing and/or life, in general. People can be taught the value of money and how to use it wisely. This can happen no matter the source of the money. However, I understand your point. Have you ever considered writing a book? I would buy the first copy! That is a world I would prefer to live in. Wow. Very powerful! It does take courage to self-examine. That just happened. Thank you for making me think through all this and share your wisdom. I really appreciate it.
FoxHastings said: ↑ Who should ban them ? The Boy Scouts? If they're banned it would be the GOVERNMENT that bans them.....government interference that you are so against No, I didn't forget because the government did not make it legal.....the government upheld women's rights. Face it, you are FINE with government interference if it's something that won't affect you. Again, if you don't want government interference then don't interfere with other's rights. You can't have it both ways … You can't ban abortion without government interference …. AGAIN (and again and again) WHO do you think will "ban" it? You? If they're banned it would be the GOVERNMENT that bans them.....government interference that you are so against
"Those people" have tried peaceful methods for a century....some worked but here, now , in the 21st century there are STILL people who call them "those people". There are still people who kill them because they can. There are still people who lump them altogether as "those people". There are still people who denigrate them no matter what they do. There are those who sit at their computer and pontificate and actually presume to know the situation even if they have never lived it. If one doesn't get killed from a traffic stop , if one has free choice of housing, if one has equal job opportunities, then one probably doesn't give a rat's patoot if the "respect" is real or not... Did you think all blacks are yearning for whitey's "respect" ????? No, just being treated equally and fairly under the law. spiritgide said: ↑ Having money that is not earned may support people intermittently, but it does nothing to give them independence- just the opposite; it enables dependence and helps them avoid the challenge. For a person to know they are independent- they must be able to make it on their own, not need someone to prop them up. Only then will they know that they are free, that they are whole and in charge of their own destiny. Money earned has value you appreciate- and you treat it wisely. Money given to you has none. It will buy things, but it will never make you proud or strong. It's not at all the same."""""" Spoken like someone who was never born into poverty nor ever been poor.... Not everyone is as perfect.....there are humans, humans, who weren't born perfect, who just can't work hard enough, be healthy enough , have enough opportunities as others....did you want them just thrown in a ditch ? Giving money to a family ravaged by job loss and/or illness, to feed their children is a bad thing ???? Really?
Perhaps you read the line that stated "The real barriers to having this capacity and thereby power over your own life, are in overcoming the misinformation that society has been spoon-feeding you since you were born, sorting out the trash so you can find the treasure. As one psychologist who took my class said- it requires a lot more courage to clean that out than most people can find. He was right, even giving people a roadmap doesn't mean they can make the trip." I've presented these classes to a great many people- from fortune 500 managers at Boeing, to school teachers in continuing education seminars, to drug addicts in recovery, to juveniles in detention facilities. It's not a lecture - it's the sharing of the answer that can change your life. Some people are eager to learn how- some people are eager to prove its not true, lest they have to face themselves and stop blaming their misery on others. Most, like you, think the answer must fit neatly into what you already believe.... most of which is the trash you won't let go of and insures you will never be free. Some people have indeed been really poor. I know a man who was bankrupt, had a failed marriage, lost everything, developed a major cancer requiring surgery but had no insurance or money, lived a winter in a storage space to get by while trying to get back on his feet, who never took a dime in assistance, not even an unemployment check, nor from his family- All this at the same time. That man paid back the bankruptcy debt. Negotiated terms with his doctor and hospital for his own medical bills, and paid for them. Started again- founded a number of companies, became quite successful and helped others in his family become millionaires. That was possible, because that man was able to change his fundamental perception in exactly the way I explained it here. I know- because I am that man. I've heard hundreds of people cling to the things that insulate them from the obligation to accept responsibility for themselves- you are just an echo of that. Heard every word of it before. I learned long ago, that as I stated in the post- that what you already accept and think you know, is precisely what keeps you where you are. It's getting free of the trash that allows you to see the treasure- but it takes courage to do that and make that treasure yours, and that is a requirement most can't meet. There is no easy button, no other way; it can't be bought for or gifted to anyone. I can't make it happen for anybody- but I can and have been a guide for those who can find the courage. That is a hand-up for those who will try- not a hand-out for those who will not. There is no relief for those who believe they can't; they suffer from a condition they refuse to challenge and change. That is a choice- that you alone make. I chose not to enable people to stay in that place- you do; and you defend the right to stay there, as most of the people in that place do.
Upholding the woman's right to murder her own, some "right". And you wonder why child neglect and child abuse is on the rise. Worthless in the womb all too easily translates to worthless out of it. Abortion creates calluses on the soul of the nation that allows it.
