Everywhere Across America Liberal Heads Are Exploding

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  1. ButterBalls

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    The pandemic the CHINERS infect a OUR world with? Funny how some folks have problems mentioning the real source of the curse.. But expected from some less informed I guess..
     
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    Some of us understand the virus is part of nature and has nothing to do with the country of origin.
     
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    I realize white nationalism sells with a small section of our citizenry but beyond ‘16 it’s not a winning strategy.
    You’d learn that lesson in 2020. Tucker doesn’t have much of a political future.
     
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    Well, some folks focus on the problem and others focus on the solution. Blaming the country of origin does nothing to provide a way out. Pretending it doesn't exist does nothing to provide a way out.
     
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    They want to destroy our country, tear down our monuments, slaughter innocent families for not joining their protests, rule our lives with an iron fist and as the final humiliation, elect a President who is rapidly deteriorating into staggering dementia as a symbol to the world that they have finally conquered our country.

    OH, DRY UP: Tammy Duckworth: We should listen to the argument for tearing down statues of George Washington. “Amazingly, Duckworth not only botches the response by saying she’s willing to entertain the idea of canceling the Founding Fathers, she goes on to hint that maybe it’s time to give Mt. Rushmore back to Native Americans. Bash didn’t even ask about that!”

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    UPDATE: Wait Until 2020 Tammy Duckworth Hears What 2015 Tammy Duckworth Thought About Mount Rushmore.

    The only safe act of resistance against the rapidly converging madness is to Vote For Trump!
     
  7. WillReadmore

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    Police aren't allowed to kill people who have COVID19, resisting arrest or any of your other claims.

    He was laying on the ground begging for his life with 4 officers.

    And they snuffed him.
     
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    We had scientists at Wuhan helping them advance science on iruses that move to hmans from animals.

    China was GLAD we were there.

    Had Trump not removed them, we would have had much more up to date info on the progress of this version of SARS - and, China would have, too.

    Every single indiviual who thinks it makes sense that someone in China infected CHINA with this virus as a way to attack the USA (or anyone else) is just plain nutty.

    Also, Wuhan experts have identified LARGE numbers of other types of SARS living in bats over a wide region in China.

    If we want to reduce the possibility of another COVID19 style pandemic, we should get our scientists back over there and help them work the problem.
     
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    NO! Medical science from here and around the world is saying that. The multinational pandemic experts working IN CHINA are saying that.

    And, it is NO surprise at all! In fact, what has happened with this virus is EXACTLY what has been predicted by medical science for a LONG TIME. This is exactly what happened with Spanish Flu, MERS, Ebola and other such diseases.

    Viruses are changing all the time. I wouldn't necessarily call it evolution, as most people in the field don't consider viruses to be a life form. However, changes are a costant fact. That's why we need different flu vaccines every year - the change is that fast and that constant.


    BUT, that's not the real problem.

    The real problem is bald faced ignorance - ignorance so deep seated that many think their own total lack of education leaves them better qualified than those who have been studying these issues for DECADES.

    There is NO quick fix to that level of profound ignorance. There is no vaccine. There is no pill. The arrogance of ignorance is a shield that is very hard to penetrate.
     
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    Especially the kind of ignorance that says I am an expert, I took a class and this document proves I'm the only smart person.

    I wasn't talking only of the virus epidemic- but of the place this arrogant illusion of expertise has brought us too.
    Some experts are mostly right, some have been mostly wrong. Science is USUALLY in that situation, because projecting these things is always based on a limited amount of fact and a lot of conjecture. Unfortunately, their conclusions are usually delivered with the confidence that they know everything, and all those not in their position are stupid.
    They are equally stupid in doing so.

    Viruses are known to be continuously mutating- often mutate themselves into a less harmful of more harmful form. Thus studying for decades provides background, but is still face with things not seen before.
    IF that had truly made them qualified to deal with it, the eradication of the virus would have been quick and easy. Somehow- that didn't happen, which seems to indicate that the "experts" aren't as brilliant as they would like us to believe. While the virus always tends to be somewhat novel due to the mutations, lets look as more stable health issues.

    The number of deaths in the US attributed to the virus is around 130,000
    The number of deaths from homicides is about 20,000. The deaths from accidents of all kinds combined is about 170,000

    But the annual number attributed to "medical mistakes" - people who die in the care of medical experts and because of their errors- is estimated at 250,000 each year at the low end, possibly closer to 450,000.
    Even at the low end, that makes it the third leading cause of death after heart disease and cancer.
    Tell us how the brilliance of the medical experts keeps us in that position.

    Arrogance? Over-confidence? Or- ignorance and malpractice?
     
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    And every single individual that thinks CHINER isn't totally responsible for infecting the planet with this and many other virus is living in a realm of make believe or dementia ;)
     
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    Well it's certainly someone to keep watch on! Sort of like a carrier/people/mutants/incubator of a incurable and very infectious disease's. Of course there will always be those that are willing to rub elbows or swap spit with the retched for the sake of political correctness and some other deranged reasons ¯\_(º¸º)_/¯
     
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    Does that include the hypochondriacs that have been locked away in a house for 4/6 months now to avoid part of NATURE RONV? ;)

    LMFAO :)
     
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    So calling it the Chinese virus is mean?
     
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    If it makes you feel better, go for it. But it doesn't change a thing.
     
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    Numbers projected from science come with statements concerning what they are based on. For example, COVID19 projections are based on assumptions concerning how humans will behave. Will they follow medical advice? Will the the president advocate that medical advice be ignored? This has possible been poorly reported, but that' snot the fault of those who are doing these analyses. And, we HAVE seen reports that get these dependencies through to us by making projections based on different assumptions - what will happen if we do nothing, what will happen if we all follow medical advice, what will happe if we do something in the middle.

    The claims that medical science has been wrong in these projections is a common politically motivated tactic used to pitch medical science is worthless - as Trump has been steadily arguing every time he speaks to the subject.
    This is just plain ridiculous. First of all, we HAVE studied it before. This is the second significant SARS attack we've faced here in the US.

    And, we DID come up with solutions for the next one. Obama augmented the study of these viruses in conjunction with China in Wuhan. Obama created a project within the NSC to create a plan of action for the next contagion that was known to be highly likely to come to America. Obama had people create a document showing how best to source N95 masks, other PPE, vents, etc. It included how to best use the Defense Production Act to create needed supplies inside the US. Obama opened for bids on creating high volumes of n95 masks in America - requiring bids to be for making at least a million masks per day. That was a stretch, but a bid for that did come in.

    In every one of these cases, Trump terminated the project and discarded the progress. He pulled US scientists from Wuhan. He refused the bid to build or refurbish a mask machine (since we used to make masks in the US). He killed the planning project.

    And, your comment on scientists being more able to deal with the virus is LUDICROUS as we see by the inability of anyone in the entire world to do what you suggest. You are just ignoring the nature of the problem - assuming it is trivial. More anti-science.
    WTF? It is pure ignorance to ONCE AGAIN assume that medical science is trivial. OF COURSE doctors make mistakes. They are HUMANS. They treat people who are so sick they need to go to the hospital!!

    What this pandemic amply demonstrates is that the tools we have for reducing this kind of attack by a novel virus are those of responsible behavior by the PUBLIC as led by medical science, along with hospital care that is primarily focused on symptoms. Remedies might be found, but jumping on each candidate (like Trump did) is a really bad idea. Vaccines may be possible, but vaccines are very difficult to create and take a long time. Some vaccines we have were created over DECADES. And as with flu, vaccines can become useless within a year or less, due to the rate of change of viruses.

    If we get a vaccine next year, will it address the active strains of COVID19? How long will it take to make and distribute BILLIONS of these vaccines? Let's remember that Trump has given up on just producing test kits in the volume needed.

    As with previous SARS, MERS, Ebola, etc., the tools we have are those of quarantine, PPE, testing, and taking ENORMOUS care with social distancing.

    As with flu or any of these other viruses, you can't kill them in an exposed patient without killing the patient.

    Remeber what happens when you go to your doctor with the flu and ask for a remedy? The doctor will tell you to get bed rest and drink liquids. Antibiotics do not work on viruses. And, if you care about your coworkers, don't go to work sick.
     
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    Well I don't want to offend anyone. Based on the left's logic we must stop saying things like Shetland Pony, West Nile virus, Antonine plaque, Canadian Football League, Maine Lobster and New York strip steak.
     
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    Wow is THAT ever BS.

    Just exactly what could ANY country do to prevent some virus in some animal from crossing into the human population?

    Let's take Spanish Flu - which appears to have first shown up on a military base in Kansas.

    What could the US have done to prevent that?
     
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    Doing something about the wet markets would be a great start. Also not lying about it would also be a great help.
     
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    Like I said. If it makes you feel better go for it. I prefer Covid 19, since then everyone knows what I'm talking about.
     
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    Right! Because after 6 months, millions of cases, thousands of deaths, an almost complete lockdown of the world economy and non stop news coverage no one would know what what the Chinese virus was.
     
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    It's not that people don't make mistakes. However when the experts are responsible for the third largest cause of death in the nation, perhaps they aren't quite as expert as you would like to think.
    They aren't the cause of the virus, and finding a solution is a huge challenge. But they are causing that problem of medical mistakes, and they can't fix that either.

    I don't assume what they do is trivial. However, far too many of them have the idea that since they are "experts" in one field, they are experts is all fields. That is arrogance and stupidity. I lost my father due to a medical mistake made repeatedly in misdiagnosis- until it was too late. I've known a neuro-surgeon who thought he was qualified as an architect, and designed his own house, refused to listen and accept it was structurally unsound. It's not at all uncommon- but it's a stupid aspect of a mentality that is fairly common among people who deem themselves experts, and of superior intelligence....

    It basically says you are stupid, I am the superior intellect, so do what I say. It's like a big red flag that says "Idiot ahead". Has no idea of their own limitations, and everybody has limitations.
     
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    But soon it will magically go away. What will we do then?
     
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    Besides being a sign of raw ignorance, it has caused attacks on Asian Americans.

    It's monumentallly disgusting to me to see someone who is willig to actually facilitate that kind of racism in America. That needs to be stopped.

    ==>But, there IS another issue here.

    Two days ago Trump tweeted that the more he thought about COVID the more he HATED CHINA!! That's the US president. We just carried out significant military exercies in waters China claims.

    And, we KNOW that there are hundreds of other SARS varients in bats in a wide region of China. So, Trump's extraction of our scientists from Wuhan along with his hate for China is slowing what is our rational approach to the future pandemics that are sure to come.

    Plus, these pandemics do not just come from China. Surely his hate would extend to the sources of MERS, Ebola, h1n1, etc. - thus slowing our approach to other sources of pandemic that we KNOW can come here - because they have - and because there is no possible way to stop that from happening.

    Between Trump's hate for these counries and his hate for other global cooperation on health issues through WHO, etc., this is posing an increased risk to America.

    We need a president who will protect the USA. This one doesn't.
     
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    LOL This is funny in a "I can't believe people are so fragile" sort of way. Referring to something based on it place of origin is not racist. I understand you have to think like this but stop calling everyone who does not think like you racist. It's getting old.
     
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