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  1. crank

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    You like the impact on jobs etc resulting from so much uncertainty? Do you like the perpetual threat of much stricter lockdowns?

    Because these are what you get if you move around freely .. taking the virus with you.
     
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    Coronavirus can float in air droplets and is likely transmitting that way, according to a group of international experts.

    The group is planning to publish an open letter on Monday to the World Health Organization and other health agencies, asking them to be more forthright in explaining how the virus can transmit in the air.

    The letter is signed by 239 scientists from around the world.

    It’s not a secret; health experts and countries around the world, like Japan, have warned for months that the virus transmits in close contact in crowded spaces with poor ventilation due to how it travels through droplets.

    But agencies seem to be afraid to talk about the airborne nature of the virus, said Donald Milton, one of the authors and a professor at the University of Maryland.
     
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    What airborne transmission means: The virus is carried on droplets that come out of people’s mouths and noses, and the sizes of those droplets vary.

    Large droplets fall onto surfaces rapidly and can be picked up on fingers and carried to the eyes, nose or mouth. Smaller droplets can stay in the air longer, and can be inhaled more deeply into the lungs.

    We still don't clearly understand how important droplet size is to coronavirus transmission, Milton said -- but studies show it’s a factor.

    A loud bar, where people must shout to be heard, is a perfect storm of close contact, poor air circulation and people generating a lot of virus-carrying particles by talking, laughing and bellowing.

    What we can do about it: Milton said the best way to protect against fine aerosols is to use an N-95 respirator or higher – something in scarce supply in many places.

    But there are others ways, too, including improved ventilation, as well as distancing and mask use. That’s information the average person can use and act on.

    “I am very much concerned about the general public and schools and ventilation in school buildings and in dorms on college campuses and in bars and in churches and where people sing and where people congregate,” he said.

    The Coronavirus pandemic is getting worse and there are those that are disobeying the rules and orders. They are closer than 6 feet of each other, Some aren't wearing the face mask as they were told and rather come up with the lame excuse of that they can't breathe. You hear young women putting leather bustier saying the same thing but survive. Give me a break here what is going on? If you want the pandemic to go, Do what you're told.
     
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    121 University of Washington students tested positive for COVID-19 and some beachgoers in Florida probably did the same,
     
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    Typical knee-jerk reaction. Try reading it and following the links and sources given:

    1. According to the latest immunological and serological studies, the overall lethality of Covid-19 (IFR) is about 0.1% and thus in the range of a strong seasonal influenza (flu).

    This confirms what Dr. Dan Erickson and Dr. Artin Massihi, of Accelerated Urgent Care in Bakersfield, California, stated, and which I posted earlier:

    "There's a 0.03% chance of dying from covid-19 in the state of California. Does that necessitate shutting down medical systems? Does that necessitate people being out of work? 96% of people in California who get covid-19 recover with no significant continuing medical problems ..."

    And:

    6. The median age of the deceased in most countries (including Italy) is over 80 years (e.g. 86 years in Sweden) and only about 4% of the deceased had no serious preconditions. The age and risk profile of deaths thus essentially corresponds to normal mortality.

    "Almost 96% of the country’s virus fatalities had previous medical conditions, data from Italy’s ISS health institute show. The ISS, which publishes a range of studies on the outbreak including a detailed weekly report, confirms a trend seen since the beginning of the emergency, with the average age of Italians who’ve died from the virus at around 80.

    “The latest numbers show that new cases and fatalities have a common profile: mostly elderly people with previous illnesses,” ISS chief Silvio Brusaferro said at a news conference Friday."

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...irus-fatalities-suffered-from-other-illnesses

    And:

    9. Even in so-called “Covid19 deaths” it is often not clear whether they died from or with coronavirus (i.e. from underlying diseases) or if they were counted as “presumed cases” and not tested at all. However, official figures usually do not reflect this distinction.

    "I’m a retired pathology professor ... Why COVID-19 deaths are a substantial over-estimate...
    Many UK health spokespersons have been careful to repeatedly say that the numbers quoted in the UK indicate death with the virus, not death due to the virus — this matters. When giving evidence in parliament a few days ago, Prof. Neil Ferguson of Imperial College London said that he now expects fewer than 20,000 COVID-19 deaths in the UK but, importantly, two-thirds of these people would have died anyway. In other words, he suggests that the crude figure for ‘COVID deaths’ is three times higher than the number who have actually been killed by COVID-19. (Even the two-thirds figure is an estimate — it would not surprise me if the real proportion is higher.)"

    https://spectator.us/understand-report-figures-covid-deaths/

    17. There is also no scientific evidence for the effectiveness of face masks in healthy or asymptomatic individuals.

    "We do not recommend requiring the general public who do not have symptoms of COVID-19-like illness to routinely wear cloth or surgical masks"

    https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-per...ntary-masks-all-covid-19-not-based-sound-data

    And this from the New England Journal of Medicine on May 21, 2020:

    "We know that wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection. Public health authorities define a significant exposure to Covid-19 as face-to-face contact within 6 feet with a patient with symptomatic Covid-19 that is sustained for at least a few minutes (and some say more than 10 minutes or even 30 minutes). The chance of catching Covid-19 from a passing interaction in a public space is therefore minimal. In many cases, the desire for widespread masking is a reflexive reaction to anxiety over the pandemic."

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372?query=TOC

    And so on and on.
     
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    Open Letter by Professor Sucharit Bhakdi

    An Open Letter from Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi, Professor Emeritus of Medical Microbiology at the Johannes Gutenberg University Mainz, to the German Chancellor Dr. Angela Merkel.

    Dear Chancellor,

    As Emeritus of the Johannes-Gutenberg-University in Mainz and longtime director of the Institute for Medical Microbiology, I feel obliged to critically question the far-reaching restrictions on public life that we are currently taking on ourselves in order to reduce the spread of the COVID-19 virus...

    A number of coronaviruses have been circulating for a long time – largely unnoticed by the media. [2] If it should turn out that the COVID-19 virus should not be ascribed a significantly higher risk potential than the already circulating corona viruses, all countermeasures would obviously become unnecessary.

    The internationally recognized International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents will soon publish a paper that addresses exactly this question. Preliminary results of the study can already be seen today and lead to the conclusion that the new virus is NOT different from traditional corona viruses in terms of dangerousness. The authors express this in the title of their paper “SARS-CoV-2: Fear versus Data”. [3]...

    ...the mistake is being made worldwide to report virus-related deaths as soon as it is established that the virus was present at the time of death – regardless of other factors. This violates a basic principle of infectiology: only when it is certain that an agent has played a significant role in the disease or death may a diagnosis be made. The Association of the Scientific Medical Societies of Germany expressly writes in its guidelines: “In addition to the cause of death, a causal chain must be stated, with the corresponding underlying disease in third place on the death certificate. Occasionally, four-linked causal chains must also be stated.” [6]

    At present there is no official information on whether, at least in retrospect, more critical analyses of medical records have been undertaken to determine how many deaths were actually caused by the virus...

    https://swprs.org/open-letter-from-professor-sucharit-bhakdi-to-german-chancellor-dr-angela-merkel/
     
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    On Wednesday, Pennsylvania Heath Secretary Dr. Rachel Levine made the wearing masks when you leave your home mandatory for all Pennsylvanians - an expansion of the Secretary's order that people must wear a mask when visiting businesses.

    Dr. Cyril Wecht told KDKA Radio's Wendy Bell that Levine's order is "totally, totally absurd."

    ... Dr. Wecht said the response to the virus isn't just about health. "This has been so over politicized, it's disgusting. And yes, I am a Democrat, but I am the first one to say the Democratic governors and other Democratic politicians are pushing hard for this because it looks bad for Trump and the longer it goes on, the worse it is for Trump - even in terms of his campaigning.

    "The ultra left-wing liberals on the Democratic side - they're total lunatics too," he said. "Let's deal with this in an objective way."

    Wecht said the mortality rate for COVID in people under 60 and in basic general health is 0.1 to 0.3 percent.

    "Look at what these actions of a governmental nature - vis-à-vis quarantining, sequestration - what they have done to us."

    Dr. Wecht thinks there will come a time when people have had enough. "I think it's going to reach a point - the people are going to rebel," he said. "I don't think we're going to reach a point of armed, revolutionary conflict, but something has to end.

    "People's lives are being destroyed, Wendy. They're literally being destroyed. Financially, domestically and in every single way. That cannot go on. Society cannot continue to function under the rules of Dr. Rachel Levine and Governor Wolf. Cannot! Cannot!"

    https://kdkaradio.radio.com/articles/wecht-calls-pa-mandatory-mask-order-by-levine-totally-absurd
     
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    There are so many things wrong with this post, I'll just point out one. That normal deaths are being blamed on Covid.
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    Isn't the fact that covid can be aerosolized very old news indeed? I've known since I was a kid that colds and flu are transmitted by breathing, coughing and spitting.

    They are releasing this stale old news now because it is obvious many people don't believe Anthony crying wolf so many times.

    This latest appears to be nothing but fear-mongering propaganda, a variation on a very old theme.
     
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    It looks like We may have to go into a mandatory quarantine for a while if the numbers go up. The beaches in Florida had people there and there is the possibility of infection of the Coronavirus as well as other places. There are people that don't want to go by the rules and thinking authority isn't going to tell them what to do. So there! There will be consequences tomorrow if we don't do what we're supposed to do. Stay home as much as possible, cover your face, wash hands 20 seconds. Is that too much to ask? Come on! Think about it.
     
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    It looks like We may have to go into a mandatory quarantine for a while if the numbers go up. The beaches in Florida had people there and there is the possibility of infection of the Coronavirus as well as other places. There are people that don't want to go by the rules and thinking authority isn't going to tell them what to do. So there! There will be consequences tomorrow if we don't do what we're supposed to do. Stay home as much as possible, cover your face, wash hands 20 seconds. Is that too much to ask? Come on! Think about it.
     
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    The summer is time to go in the sunlight to improve the health, and for the young ones to improve the beauty. It seems it's too much to ask to stay at home.
    I think there must be more attention on the treatment, the interest of the doctors are different than the interests of the people.
    When i read the protocol math+ i noticed that simple things like tiamine, vit c, vit d and vit e can help, and also the mineral zinc.

    The doctors don't agree about beginning treatments early, this is very suspect.
     
  14. Richard Franks

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    Don't chance it.
     
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    Dr. Anthony Fauci warned Tuesday that Americans shouldn't take comfort in the dropping death rate among coronavirus patients in the US even as President Donald Trump touts the trend as evidence of a successful response to the virus. "It's a false narrative to take comfort in a lower rate of death," Fauci said during a live stream press conference with Sen. Doug Jones of Alabama, a Democrat.

    "There's so many other things that are very dangerous and bad about this virus, don't get yourself into false complacency."

    His comments come after the White House repeatedly pointed to the falling US mortality rate as proof of a productive response despite states across the country grappling with record-breaking spikes in the virus.

    Trump tweeted Monday that "the Mortality Rate for the China Virus in the U.S. is just about the LOWEST IN THE WORLD," doubling down on this stance with a subsequent tweet definitively declaring that "we now have the lowest Fatality (Mortality) Rate in the World."

    In reality, while US coronavirus mortality rates have declined recently, they are not the lowest in the world.

    Data on coronavirus death rates remain imprecise, due in part to limited testing availability and the prevalence of mild or asymptomatic cases that often go unrecorded. Still, among the 20 countries most affected by the virus, at least 14 have lower death rates than the US.

    No anticipated vaccine mandate

    Fauci also said Tuesday he does not anticipate a federal coronavirus vaccine mandate in the US once one is made available.

    "I don't think we've ever had a situation where you mandated for the general population," he said.

    Fauci explained he "could see individual institutions mandating a vaccine" but not at the nationwide level "merely because of all the situations you have encroaching upon a person's freedom to make their own choice of their own health."

    Scientists around the world are racing to develop a Covid-19 vaccine, with some top health officials predicting that the US could be on track to have one by the end of the year. In preparation for that, Fauci told CNN last month the vaccine education effort in the US is "not going to be easy."

    "There is a general anti-science, anti-authority, anti-vaccine feeling among some people in this country -- an alarmingly large percentage of people, relatively speaking," he said.

    Fauci assessed that given the power of the anti-vaccine movement, "we have a lot of work to do" to educate people on the truth about vaccines.

    "It's not going to be easy," he warned. "Anyone (who) thinks it will be easy is not facing reality. It's going to be very difficult."

    Fauci added that the government has a vaccine education program to counteract anti-vaccine messages.

    "We have a program right now that's going to be extensive in reaching out to the community," he noted. "They may not like a government person in a suit like me telling them, even though I will tell them. They really need to see people that they can relate to in the community -- sports figures, community heroes, people that they look up to."

    But there's no indication that such a program is in place.



    'Strongly in favor' of local mask requirements


    In the meantime, Fauci stressed the importance of face masks in combating the virus -- something he said he's "strongly in favor" of mandating, just not on the federal level.


    "I don't like to be authoritarian, from the federal government. But at the local level, if governors and others essentially mandate the use of masks when you have an outbreak, I think that would be very important," Fauci said.

    White House officials are discussing taking a more active role in encouraging masks as they shift to a strategy of preparing Americans to live long-term with the virus.

    After appearing at a string of events without social distancing and where masks were scarce, Trump's campaign said Sunday it would host a New Hampshire campaign rally where attendees will be "provided a face mask that they are strongly encouraged to wear."


    Video: Why nurses are being furloughed during the pandemic (CNN)

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    Donald Trump announced that he would cut off funds if public school don't open in the fall. Trump can't do that can he?
     
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    I think what he is trying to say is once a case is detected our death rate is lowest. That may be true, but I'm not sure it makes me feel good since we have so many more cases. :)
     
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    In John Pospichal's recent article, “Questions for lockdown apologists”, he examined overall mortality numbers for Austria, Belgium, Denmark, England and Wales, France, Italy, Netherlands, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Ecuador, and New York City.

    Supported by charts, here are excerpts from his article:

    “Here’s a series of charts by the Financial Times showing overall mortality and “deaths in excess of normal levels” in 2020 for a number of countries...

    “We now have mortality data for the first few months of 2020 for many countries, and, as you might expect, there were steep increases associated with the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic in each one.”

    “Surprisingly, however, these increases did not begin before the lockdowns were imposed, but after. Moreover, in almost every case, they began immediately after. Often, mortality numbers were on a downward trend before suddenly reversing course after lockdowns were decreed.”

    “This is an astonishing finding. But before I discuss its full import, and pose some questions to those who still defend the utility of lockdowns, I want to present the data that proves it.”

    “Here’s a series of charts by the Financial Times showing overall mortality and “deaths in excess of normal levels” in 2020 for a number of countries...

    “You will notice that only after each country (or city) was locked down did the increases begin. Moreover, they began immediately, and in nearly every case, precipitously.”

    “All this leads us to the following questions, which we pose to all those who continue to defend the use of lockdowns as an effective means to prevent excess deaths.”

    “Q: Why was there no significant increase in overall mortality, in any country we have good data for, before the start of lockdowns?”

    “Q: Why does a precise and exact correlation exist between the start of lockdowns and significant rises in overall mortality?”

    “Q: How is it that governments in every country imposed lockdowns at precisely the same time relative to the future precipitous rise in their populations’ overall mortality rate?”

    “Q: How is it, moreover, that this moment in time [i.e., the imposition of lockdowns] happened to fall immediately before that precipitous rise?”

    “Q: If health authorities vastly underestimated the prevalence of the virus at the beginning of the pandemic, why did the virus nevertheless wait until lockdowns were imposed to suddenly start killing at levels which exceeded normal deaths?”



    https://medium.com/@JohnPospichal/questions-for-lockdown-apologists-32a9bbf2e247
     
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    Excuse me, but what makes you more qualified to assess the situation than a professor of microbiology?

    Also, from what I posted earlier, the statement of Dr. Dan Erickson and Dr. Artin Massihi, of Accelerated Urgent Care in Bakersfield, California:

    "When someone dies in this country now ... the first question is, did they die from covid? We've been to hundreds of autopsies ... covid is not the reason they died, it is one of many reasons; it's so simplistic to say that's a covid death. But ER doctors now say, you know, when we're writing the death report, we're being pressured to add covid - why is that? Why are we being pressured to add covid, to maybe increase the numbers? I think so ... (my colleagues) say we are being pressured to add covid to the diagnostic list when we think it has nothing to do with the actual cause of death. The actual cause of death was not covid."

    And from above,

    "I’m a retired pathology professor ... Why COVID-19 deaths are a substantial over-estimate...
    Many UK health spokespersons have been careful to repeatedly say that the numbers quoted in the UK indicate death with the virus, not death due to the virus — this matters. When giving evidence in parliament a few days ago, Prof. Neil Ferguson of Imperial College London said that he now expects fewer than 20,000 COVID-19 deaths in the UK but, importantly, two-thirds of these people would have died anyway. In other words, he suggests that the crude figure for ‘COVID deaths’ is three times higher than the number who have actually been killed by COVID-19. (Even the two-thirds figure is an estimate — it would not surprise me if the real proportion is higher.)"
    https://spectator.us/understand-report-figures-covid-deaths/

    And:

    Dr. Scott Jensen, a Minnesota family physician who is also a Republican state senator, told "The Ingraham Angle" Wednesday that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's (CDC) guidelines for doctors to certify whether a patient has died of coronavirus are "ridiculous" and could be misleading the public.
    https://www.foxnews.com/media/physician-blasts-cdc-coronavirus-death-count-guidelines

    A highly respected doctor and current Minnesota State Senator has been speaking out about his concern over the validity of Covid death certificates... expressing concern that people who did not die of Covid are being counted as Covid deaths, a practice which falsely inflates mortality rates and irresponsibly contributes to the climate of fear around the disease.

    Jensen notes:

    In terms of the death certificates, on April 3rd I got an email fro the Department of Health that said very clearly that we should report Covid-19 on death certificates if it is assumed to have caused or contributed. Well, that’s not how we do death certificates. The official ICD-10 coding for April 1st, 2020 through September 30th, 2020, during the timeframe in question says this: If the provider documents suspected, possible, probable, or inconclusive Covid-19, do not assign. Use 07.1, which is Covid-19 disease. It says, assign a code explaining the reason for the encounter, such as fever, or cough, or shortness of breath. I’ve got the Department of Health in Illinois, where one of the directors says that just because we put Covid-10 down on the death certificate as cause of death, that doesn’t mean that the patient died of Covid-19. She said that. ~Dr. Scott Jensen
    https://www.naturalblaze.com/2020/0...for-questioning-covid-death-certificates.html
     
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    That's the same fakenews network that's claiming hospitals in Florida and Texas are being overwhelmed with such patients.

    Anyone near there who can visit one of those hospitals and check? I bet CNN is lying as is so often the case.
     
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    A high-profile European pathologist is reporting that he and his colleagues across Europe have not found any evidence of any deaths from the novel coronavirus on that continent.

    Dr. Stoian Alexov called the World Health Organization (WHO) a “criminal medical organization” for creating worldwide fear and chaos without providing objectively verifiable proof of a pandemic.

    Another stunning revelation from Bulgarian Pathology Association (BPA) president Dr. Alexov is that he believes it’s currently “impossible” to create a vaccine against the virus.

    He also revealed that European pathologists haven’t identified any antibodies that are specific for SARS-CoV-2.

    These stunning statements raise major questions, including about officials’ and scientists’ claims regarding the many vaccines they’re rushing into clinical trials around the world.

    They also raise doubt about the veracity of claims of discovery of anti-novel-coronavirus antibodies (which are beginning to be used to treat patients).

    Novel-coronavirus-specific antibodies are supposedly the basis for the expensive serology test kits being used in many countries (some of which have been found to be unacceptably inaccurate).

    And they’re purportedly key to the immunity certificates coveted by Bill Gates that are about to go into widespread use — in the form of the COVI-PASS — in 15 countries including the UK, US, and Canada.

    Dr. Alexov made his jaw-dropping observations in a video interview summarizing the consensus of participants in a May 8, 2020, European Society of Pathology (ESP) webinar on COVID-19.

    The May 13 video interview of Dr. Alexov was conducted by Dr. Stoycho Katsarov, chair of the Center for Protection of Citizens’ Rights in Sofia and a former Bulgarian deputy minister of health. The video is on the BPA’s website, which also highlights some of Dr. Alexov’s main points.

    We asked a native Bulgarian speaker with a science background to orally translate the video interview into English. We then transcribed her translation. The video is here and our English transcript is here.

    ...

    The body forms antibodies specific to pathogens it encounters. These specific antibodies are known as monoclonal antibodies and are a key tool in pathology. This is done via immunohistochemistry, which involves tagging antibodies with colours and then coating the biopsy- or autopsy-tissue slides with them. After giving the antibodies time to bind to the pathogens they’re specific for, the pathologists can look at the slides under a microscope and see the specific places where the coloured antibodies — and therefore the pathogens they’re bound to – are located.

    Therefore, in the absence of monoclonal antibodies to the novel coronavirus, pathologists cannot verify whether SARS-CoV-2 is present in the body, or whether the diseases and deaths attributed to it indeed were caused by the virus rather than by something else.

    ...

    Dr. Alexov has an unimpugnable record and reputation. He’s been a physician for 30 years. He’s president of the BPA, a member of the ESP’s Advisory Board and head of the histopathology department at the Oncology Hospital in the Bulgarian capital of Sofia.

    On top of that, there’s other support for what Dr. Alexov is saying.

    For example, the director of the Institute of Forensic Medicine at the University Medical Center Hamburg-Eppendorf in Germany said in media interviews that there’s a striking dearth of solid evidence for COVID-19’s lethality.

    “COVID-19 is a fatal disease only in exceptional cases, but in most cases it is a predominantly harmless viral infection,” Dr. Klaus Püschel told a German paper in April. Adding in another interview:

    In quite a few cases, we have also found that the current corona infection has nothing whatsoever to do with the fatal outcome because other causes of death are present, for example, a brain hemorrhage or a heart attack […] [COVID-19 is] not particularly dangerous viral disease […] All speculation about individual deaths that have not been expertly examined only fuel anxiety.”

    https://off-guardian.org/2020/07/02...ident-of-the-bulgarian-pathology-association/

    (emphasis in original)

    He's right about the WHO being a “criminal medical organization” as it's largely funded by Bill Gates who has openly called for massive world depopulation to be achieved through vaccination!
     
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    for some reason CDC stopped reporting hospitalizations , (no update since June 27)
    Apparently there is nothing to report. They realized that eventually people will discover extraordinary discrepancy between reported cases and the real world.
    https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/COVIDNet/COVID19_3.html
     
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    A reminder:

    "We do not recommend requiring the general public who do not have symptoms of COVID-19-like illness to routinely wear cloth or surgical masks" - Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy

    https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-per...ntary-masks-all-covid-19-not-based-sound-data

    And this from the prestigious New England Journal of Medicine on May 21, 2020:

    "We know that wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection. Public health authorities define a significant exposure to Covid-19 as face-to-face contact within 6 feet with a patient with symptomatic Covid-19 that is sustained for at least a few minutes (and some say more than 10 minutes or even 30 minutes). The chance of catching Covid-19 from a passing interaction in a public space is therefore minimal. In many cases, the desire for widespread masking is a reflexive reaction to anxiety over the pandemic."

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372?query=TOC
     
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    Why would you post this right after you posed covid is all fake?
     

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