We are doing very well....

You are right! Trump should say "we're all going to die!". He should should paint a bleak picture of the future of the US. You know, the way democrats always do.

 

Just the truth would do.
I know how hard that is for him, but it's what we need.

 

I realize that. I also realize that there were thousands more protestors that people at the rally. When the left complains about Trump's rally the conveniently forget about the protestors or totally deny that the protests could contribute to the spike in COVID cases. It's a little disingenuous, dishonest, misleading, politically hackish....

 

You don't want to. I gave you several links.

 

You gave some people's opinions.
I gave you data that said they didn't.

 

Read up a little on inside vs outside.

 

Denial much? LOL

 

The truth isn't your enemy, really. Quit treating it like it is.

 

So splain to me lucy.
Why didn't New York see an outbreak?

 

Drink this. Keep it under your hat:

 

Are we not better off than most other countries?

 

I am not surprised that you want to ignore several other cities in the US so you can cherry pick your information.
Here's another:

State sees biggest daily spike in COVID-19 cases in a month as Pritzker beefs up mobile testing sites

"Another 980 people have tested positive for the coronavirus in Illinois, health officials said Wednesday, marking the largest number of new cases reported during a 24-hour period in over a month.

The Illinois Department of Public Health also reported another 36 deaths attributed to COVID-19, raising the state’s pandemic death toll to 7,099.

The 980 new cases is the most in a single day since June 5, the last time the state’s daily caseload hit four digits: 1,156."

https://chicago.suntimes.com/politi...onavirus-cases-deaths-pritzker-testing-july-8


Illinois passes 150,000 coronavirus cases as state confirms over 1,000 new infections
https://wgntv.com/news/coronavirus/...s-as-state-confirms-over-1000-new-infections/


Seattle area sees new spike in COVID-19 cases, weekly count up for 1st time in more than 2 months
More than 400 new cases of COVID-19 were reported in Seattle and King County in the past week, up nearly 70% from the week before, according to GeekWire’s calculations from data reported by Public Health – Seattle & King County.
https://www.geekwire.com/2020/seatt...ovid-19-cases-weekly-count-1st-time-2-months/

 

Based on what we know from antibody testing and now T cell immunity in recovered cases without antibodies, it would be virtually impossible to create a big spike in cases in places like New York. It would be like setting a house on fire, letting it burn to the ground, and then trying to burn it again by throwing lit matches into the ashes.

Every populated area is going to see an approximately 6 week spike in infections before a sufficient level of “herd immunity” is reached to reduce infection rates. Not all areas will go through the process at the same time. New York had its turn. Now it’s other states. What will determine whether a state gets a passing grade or not is the final deaths per infection tally.

 

Please don't thank me.

You are correct, the US is "not better off". Even Afghanistan is ~150 x better off than the USA. Afghanistan around 20 x better off scaled for the population.

 

Unrelated to the topic. You seem to have a collection of talking points that you burp out without any thought.

 

Just for our general amusement, after the reelection, what are you going to do about it?

 

Political Tourette's. Either that or he's a genuine idiot.

 

Last I heard New York had a 14% infected rate. Hardly herd immunity.
But have a look at all the New England states that didn't open up and you see the same thing. No spike.

 

I know most people don’t keep up with positive news. NYC, where spread is most likely because of population density, antibody rates are about 25%. Some areas are 60-68%.

This of course doesn’t include those that are T cell immune. I’ll post this link again for everyone’s edification.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/medicalxpress.com/news/2020-06-immunity-covid-higher-shown.amp

I expect the entire state is over 50% herd immunity based on this research.

Most New England states are right on NY’s heels as far as herd immunity based on their past high infection rates and deaths per capita.

 

The results are so new that they have not yet undergone peer review ahead of publication in a scientific journal. Pending such review, the article has been published on a preprint server, bioRxiv.

 

That’s correct. Other research on declining antibodies in known infections backs up the premise however. It’s too bad more people don’t have an understanding of herd immunity and how it works. I’ve had people here tell me it has no effect until 70% is reached. From a mathematical standpoint that’s just dumb. In a place as densely populated as NYC, 10-20% would make a big difference in new infection rates. I wish media and politicians would feed people that need feeding because they don’t think for themselves better information.

 

Yep. Every little bit helps.
They had some big riots in Montana. Some up to 50 white guys standing around with signs. Look what it did to them.


Sorry. It's just overwhelming that reopening is driving this.

 

Here is an interesting one.
Louisiana has about the same cases per million as Mass.

 

Nope. All spiking is in states that have not gone through an immunity inducing surge yet. It’s how viral pandemics work. Shutting down can temporarily kick the can down the road. That is all. Opening can only produce spikes where there is not yet herd immunity.

I’m not sure what Montana has to do with anything except to buttress my position that it doesn’t have any herd immunity so will likely spike at some point, especially in more populated areas.

Again, the only statistic that matters is final death rate per capita (which we won’t know for some time). Everything else is political posturing.

A thought exercise for you. If there is no vaccine, which is a very real possibility, how long will you want to stay locked down to temporarily evade the reality that natural herd immunity is the only option? At some point even the most avid “lockers” are going to have to face reality. People in essential businesses aren’t going to molly coddle you forever.

 

Tests per million data matters. Or you could do random antibody and T cell testing.