Newly Declassified Documents undercuts Steel Dossier

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    Declassified documents undercut Steele dossier and Russian collusion narrative

    The FBI knew the Steel Dossier was fake. Their own intel notes proves this. Yet, they used it as the basis for their Illegally obtained FISA Warrants to spy on the Trump Campaign.

    The primary source for the Steel Dossier was not a Russian Intelligence Agent as Steel claimed. Hell, he wasn't even Russian. He was a member of Steel's own staff that just happened to have business cards with a lot of Russian Intel operatives. He passed second and third party rumors to Steel. Steel then rewrote them to make them look like the information came from the operatives themselves, or a Russian mole. According to this primary source, much of what is attributed to him did not come from him. He said that he had not even heard anything about it prior to the publication of the fake dossier.

    If you look at the date of the FBI interview of the primary source, it was after the initial, and first renewal of the FISA Warrants, but well before the second and third renewals. The fact is that the fake dossier should have been substantiated before using it as a basis of the Applications. Not afterwords. The fact that the FBI knew the dossier was fake prior to obtaining the second and third renewals shows a serious preponderance of guilt.

    Now, I know you Obama/Biden loving and Trump hating drones are going to use the same arguments that you have used in the past. "I don't care what is in the Steel Dossier. Trump is guilty because I say so." Mueller, who said that he found no evidence of collusion, proved there was collusion. I know you will harp on the fact that the Trump Campaign had numerous contacts with the Russians during the campaign, but you will not bother to respond to the question what is a normal level of contact between a campaign and a foreign government. So, go ahead and post this crap, but I will deal with the real issue of this topic. The FISA Warrants were illegally obtained by an dossier that the FBI did not verify at first, and then when they did get around to verify, found to be suspect. These actions by the Obama Administration and Deep State DOJ were illegal.
     
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    We all know the obama administration was corrupt.
     
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    fake news

    some of this opo research was false, we all know that, but what is important is what did they find that was true
     
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    this was the GOP, Marco Rubio is the one that first enlisted them, Clinton did the right thing and turned it over to the FBI when she found it

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/25/us/politics/steele-dossier-trump-expained.html

    "During the Republican primaries, a research firm called Fusion GPS was hired by The Washington Free Beacon, a conservative website, to unearth potentially damaging information about Mr. Trump. The Free Beacon — which was funded by a major donor supporting Mr. Trump’s rival for the party’s nomination, Senator Marco Rubio of Florida — told Fusion GPS to stop doing research on Mr. Trump in May 2016, as Mr. Trump was clinching the Republican nomination."
     
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    Declassified documents are fake news?

    Please respond to these questions:

    1. Was the Steel Dossier fake or not?

    2. Was the Steel Dossier used to obtain FISA Warrants on Carter Page who was working President Trump Campaign at the time?

    3, Who paid for the Steel Dossier?

    4. How many other violation did the DOJIG found with the applications for the FISA Warrants?

    5. Is it legal, under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), to use unverified information to obtain a FISA Warrant?

    6. Those FISA warrants were used tap the phones of the Trump Campaign. Several members, including Susan Rice, were working to unmask these speakers on these tapes. This new information shows that the FBI and Obama Intel community was doing the same thing. How is this any different then the Watergate scandal?

    7. Now, here is the bonus question: Would you support President Trump doing the same thing to the Biden Campaign?

    Please do not hesitate to respond.
     
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    the steel documents were a list of research done by the company, they came up with many things, the fbi researched them, yes some were not true, some were, we already knew that

    "3, Who paid for the Steel Dossier?"

    the gop, read the link above
     
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    it's coming.
     
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    You really do need to get new sources of information. After the Rubio Campaign shutdown, they ended funding to the Fusion GPS, the funder of the Steel Dossier. The Hillary Campaign and the DNC took up the funding. Rubio was wrong, but then so was Hillary and the DNC. Contrary what the fake news NYTIMES reports, I can find no source that claims that Hillary reported Fusion GPS to the FBI. I did however find a source that claims that the Obama for America paid $972,000 to a law firm that then funneled the money to Fusion GPS.

    https://thefederalist.com/2017/10/29/obamas-campaign-gave-972000-law-firm-funneled-money-fusion-gps/

    Now, I do not know if this source is anymore reliable then yours. But I do know that the DOJIG report of the FISA warrants did prove that the Hillary Campaign and DNC took over funding Fussion GPS after Rubio dropped out.
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...nd-the-dncs-ties-to-the-steele-dossier-matter

    So, let's not label supportable facts fake news in an effort for you to pass your own fake news. OK?
     
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    A bit prematurely, wouldn't you say?? There are pills for that now...

    And to everybody.... It's STEELE, not Steel... for crying out loud....

    Cannot believe this is the biggest thread of Saturday morning... Friday night is when Trumpe tries to slide his really stupid **** in.

    Only thing that happened last night was John Lewis dying (RIP)
     
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    The steel document was in fact a dossier. Not a lost of research. It was a conclusion document based on fake research. Try reading the article that I posted, and follow the links to the actual newly declassified documents. I have yet to see anything that proves a single claim by the steel dossier. If you bother to read the side note on the second document, you will see that FBI was questioning anything that Steel was putting out.

    No matter the Steel Dossier should have never been used to obtain FISA Warrants. The FISA requires that all information submitted on a FISA Application has to be verified prior to be used. If this had been done, then the FBI would have known that the dossier was fake.

    As far as the funding. Your fake news source has been debunked. Read the next post to you on this topic.
     
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    No, the joke is the length that the left will stretch the truth to cover for the liberals lies. I myself questioned the federalist reliability, and the Washington Examiner article has links to the actual declassified documents. So, follow the links and read the documents themselves. Otherwise your simply posting from ignorance.
     
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    Lol...you people need to give it a rest.
    We all know the real narrative by now and understand that trump and his criminal gang were, and are still, colluding with putin, as evidenced by his latest turd polishing over the Russian bounties for killing US soldiers.
    What do the Russians have on trump that makes him a quisling?
    The rest of Americans are more worried that his lack of leadership and deplorable character are killing our citizens during the pandemic.
     
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    In the next couple of months the Durham Investigation into the start of the whole fake Russian Collusion Fake investigation will start issuing indictments. You can expect several prominent members of the Obama DOJ/FBI to be indicted. If President Trump wins reelection, then they will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. But if Biden wins, then he will be faced with the same dilemma that Trump faced when he took office. Allow these investigations and indictments proceed unchecked, or end them and face the public outrage. That is when the silent majority becomes the very vocal majority.
     
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    Newly Declassified Documents undercuts Steel Dossier

    I thought the dossier was already completely undercut. I think they can let the dossier go. It was worthless and still is.
     
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    New Russia probe memos expose massive errors in NYT anti-Trump story, Steele dossier
    The first document is a 57-page summary of a three-day FBI interview in January 2017 with Christopher Steele's 'primary sub-source' in the anti-Trump allegations and 'dossier.' Document number two takes apart a New York Times article written by Michael Schmidt, Mark Mazzetti, and Matt Apuzzo.

    https://justthenews.com/accountabil...leased-trump-russia-documents-show-anti-trump

    Remember people, he who laughs last, laughs best.
     
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    Yes, but this shows that the FBI did not vet the dossier prior to using it to obtain the initial FISA Warrants on Carter Page, and still used it after they found it to be false. This adds to the violations that the DOJIG found.
     
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    NYT has never admitted that they were duped by the Steel Dossier nor even that it was fake. They never will.
     
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    We already knew that. Remember? It was a political hit job.
     
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    Lol...it looks like the Russians and the Chinese are having the last laugh thanks to trump.
     
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    Were they duped or did they collude with Democrat operatives?
     
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    it aint over til its over Joe
     
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    1. The primary sub-source deconstructing and undermining the underlying material within the Steele Dossier is critical because ultimately the dossier underpinned the FISA application.

    2. The FISA against Carter Page was used as a justification for surveillance of Donald Trump that had been ongoing by Obama intelligence officials. (Flynn unmasking)

    3. In July of 2018 long after the source material was debunked, the special counsel office was still telling the FISA court the predication for the FISA application and renewals was valid.

    4. This is a key to understanding the scope of how weaponized the Mueller team was. They were running the DOJ.

    5. In July of 2018 the special counsel resistance group was lying to the FISA court in order to protect the cornerstone document that permitted them to weaponize the intelligence apparatus.

    6. July 12, The resistance unit running the DOJ is defending the Carter Page FISA application as still valid.
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    7. When discussing Christopher Steele’s sub-source, the special counsel group notes the FBI found him to be truthful and cooperative.

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    Either/or. Does not matter. It goes to show that the NYT is not a credible source for anything.
     
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    What was true?
     
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    You have eaten crow over 100 times with "we got him" type threads and you claim someone else is being "premature"?
     
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